Its funny how this is a totally different game for post players

[Housh123]

I like coming on here and reading problems people are having and thinking of ways they can be fixed.

With that said it seems like EVERYTHING done patch wise all year has been to tweak the game for guards and guards ONLY. Example is that poll that asked if steal success was at an acceptable level. That poll ended around 50% for each option. I think that poll needed a separate caveat where you could denote what position you played mostly. Because reaching in is at a level that is so bad that as a post scorer I can run park for 3 hours straight and may only play literally ONE game where my defender doesn't just reach on me every time I touch the ball. I understand lockdowns and rim protectors giving me issues but when stretch bigs are averaging 5-6 fouls on me in the park and getting 3-4 steals there is a problem. I played yesterday and all guys did was spam reach whenever I posted them up. Some guy literally fouled me 6 times. Still gave up 4/4 but the game took over 20 mins and he ripped me 4 times.

I hope 2k keeps listening to the community in their games. I know the steal success in the post is so high because guards shouldn't have to worry about automatically giving up 21 when they are against a big man but there has to be a better way to make this work. I honestly think I won't play park again because of this. Like every game my defender is finishing with 5 plus fouls. It's making my archetype worthless.


I mean idk if any of you guys ever had a rough park outing. But that's every time I play park. I always shoot well but against the most persistent reach spammers games take 20-30 mins and my man has a minimum for 4 fouls but the most a guy has fouled me is 8-9. I know most of you are saying just pass the ball and set screens but THATS WHAT I DO. Randoms don't know how to score!! I get passed the ball and go to set a screen and before I can set the screen most randoms pass me the ball right back. Then boom the reach spamming starts. It's kinda getting funny now because Guys are starting to get obnoxious and when I lose they send me messages calling me trash. It's gotten way worse since this new patch. Before I could set screens for guys to shoot and I didn't have to post up that much. Now guys are so trash at scoring that they are forcing me the ball. Even tho I'm finishing games at an average of 72% shooting it's not meaning jack because I'm losing the ball to reach spammers so much.

My problem is mostly 2s because on 3s I can usually find a guy to pass to when I know I'm getting Reached on. Also pro am is very good at calling fouls for spam reaching post players. Levels for those modes is still too high imo but they are tolerable. But 2s is unplayable and to me that's a big deal

[E The Rhymer]

Its funny how this is a totally different game for post players

I feel you man. My ideal player would be a post scorer like LMA but big men get NOOOO love. It's gotten slightly better but I had to switch to a wing last year because it got so annoying when I was usually the best player on my team on park or pro-am but was treated as nothing more then a glorified screen setter and wasn't allowed to touch the ball unless I get a rebound off a 3pt brick and even then they would get hurt if u didn't pass out.

It's so funny last year my pro-am team was ~50-30 with me playing in about 65 of those games. And most of the losses were games they played without me or when they brought in another C who would have an aneurism if I went near the paint even tho I was a Inside and he was a outside. I averaged something like 23PPG 13REB 5Offensive 2 blocks and 5AST (the other team respected me more and my team so they doubled me a lot and our actual Pg averaged ~6-7) a game playing with them and was played of the game EVERY SINGLE TIME I PLAYED despite not getting touches outside of putbacks and the rare time the PG tried to pass to someone else and directional passing showed me some love. But despite me being the heart of that team they outside center who s*** himself every time I touch the ball in the paint convinced the rest of them that I was "trash" because I couldn't shoot despite me being player of the game in all of our wins and them not winning a single game when I didn't play. So they kicked me and was talking trash so I played them with my friends and we won by 20 and I dropped 50 and they blocked me on XBox. They went on to lose their next 10 or so straight games and then all left each other

TL;DR: I was the heart of my team last year and carried them in most stats but they decided that even though they never won without me getting player of the game every game I was booty because I was a inside big and couldn't shoot. They kicked me and I dropped 50 on them and they went on to lose about 10 more games before they all broke up.

I also don't blame them that much for it too because 2K's poor design is what led to this mentality of 3 or nothing and that if you can't shoot you are useless. Why go inside when you have a better chance of hop stepping into a half court three than hitting a layup over a guy you have almost a foot or more on.


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[HowDareI]

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I just played my first pro am game since they patch....Uh did they patch things for big men too?

I'm getting outrebounded and defended by a stretch big...I played through 3 1/2 quarters and had ONE rebound. I get 20 easily. I quit that game...never seen such trash.

My guy was moving like he's stuck in mud. Wouldn't get up in the air for any sort of defense or rebound.

And on offense doing my post moves I felt like a robot...is it just me?

[HowDareI]

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So edit to the above...

Guess that game was just crazy laggy..

Played again and had a good game...but

I swear steals are just as bad if not worse for us big men. Why is a 7'2 300 lb post up center unable to back down a stretch big if he's spamming x? I'm throwing him backwards into the paint but the second I go up to dunk or do any head fake the ball gets ripped.

[RallerenAFC]

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As a Lockdown Defender I feel you on this. I don't know why you can't foul out of a park game. 2k should implement a rule that if you commit 3 or 4 fouls you are out of the game and lose it also. (Only for the guy that fouls out) That way there is a punishment for a player when reaching and you won't have this problem.

I just don't know why 2k didn't make a poll about this instead of the steals...

[ph33]

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You know what my favorite kind of teammate is?

Me - "Look! Got deep position on the block against my matchup!"
Teammate - "Cool thanks for the pick! *Drives right by to get blocked on a reverse*"

[CBAT]

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As a Lockdown Defender I feel you on this. I don't know why you can't foul out of a park game. 2k should implement a rule that if you commit 3 or 4 fouls you are out of the game and lose it also. (Only for the guy that fouls out) That way there is a punishment for a player when reaching and you won't have this problem.

I just don't know why 2k didn't make a poll about this instead of the steals...

Or how about allowing your player to take a swing at that player? That is what would happen IRL...

[FixEverything2k]

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If you want them to even look at the post game, you're going to have to wait until someone like Embiid dominates the league with nothing but shimmy hooks and fades and up and unders. In this game, Asik Moves in the post like Hakeem does

They focus on what is seen on the highlights, and that's guards popping 30 footers, and LeBron throwing down oops.

[Juve]

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Maybe the option of fouling out may help stop?

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[Thunderhorse]

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You know what my favorite kind of teammate is?

Me - "Look! Got deep position on the block against my matchup!"
Teammate - "Cool thanks for the pick! *Drives right by to get blocked on a reverse*"

This is literally my life.

I love when you get position right under the rim but they ignore you because they're spamming dribble moves. - Then they force you the ball when you're trying to get out of the paint so you don't get three seconds.

Now you get .3 seconds to decide if you're going to put up an off balance contested layup or take the three second penalty (or get peeled, your choice).

Post scorers don't work in the park. Your size doesn't matter enough and it's too easy to get ripped. If you got a point guard on your team who is patient enough to actually pass you the ball while you're in position, you won't miss a shot. There's probably a one second window and most players don't understand that they need to wait for you to actually get into position before the force it underneath. 9/10 of my turnovers with my post scorer are from teammates forcing inside passes when the defender is standing in my face - of course 2K gives me the turnover.

[Housh123]

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This is literally my life.



I love when you get position right under the rim but they ignore you because they're spamming dribble moves. - Then they force you the ball when you're trying to get out of the paint so you don't get three seconds.



Now you get .3 seconds to decide if you're going to put up an off balance contested layup or take the three second penalty (or get peeled, your choice).



Post scorers don't work in the park. Your size doesn't matter enough and it's too easy to get ripped. If you got a point guard on your team who is patient enough to actually pass you the ball while you're in position, you won't miss a shot. There's probably a one second window and most players don't understand that they need to wait for you to actually get into position before the force it underneath. 9/10 of my turnovers with my post scorer are from teammates forcing inside passes when the defender is standing in my face - of course 2K gives me the turnover.

Lol

Like just like in real life the further a post scorer posts up the more trash that can happen. I like posting up close enough to the rim where I can go right into a drop step without backing down.


So when I ran with y actual friends on Xbox they knew to wait for me to get into perfect position. But yeah like 9/10 ppl on this 2k force it to you with no thought of positioning.


Here's my 2 absolute most irritating pet peeves tho.

One when a guy posts you up too close to you so his man gets a free couple reaches in on you before he has to go back to guarding his man.

And the worst one that I literally rage over is when ppl post you up, cut to the rim in a straight line and DONT MOVE UNTIL YOU PASS THEM THE BALL. So it's either you take a rushed shot, take the 3 seconds violation or pass to them and hope they make the shot in traffic


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[jyoung]

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Post scorers don't work in the park.

They can work in any of the park modes:

3 vs. 3

2 vs. 2

4 vs. 4

But this thread is correct about some things:

1) It's way too easy for non-lockdown builds to steal the ball from post scorers who have maxed out post control + ball control ratings and are in the process of backing someone down while dribbling with their back to the basket.

2) It's way too easy for non-lockdown builds to steal the ball from post scorers who are in the triple threat faceup animation or in the back to the basket post up animation where you're standing still holding the ball.

3) It's way too easy for passes out of the post to get tipped/deflected/stripped in the middle of the passing animation, causing the ball to come loose before it even leaves the passer's hands.

4) It's incredibly shortsighted on 2K's part how there's no real punishment for fouling post scorers over and over again every time they touch the ball in MyPark.

Either people need to be kicked out of the game and replaced by an AI bot after their 4th personal foul, or the game needs to start awarding some free throws after a certain number of team fouls:

3rd and 4th team fouls = the offense gets 1 free throw plus the ball back
5th team foul and beyond = the offense gets 2 free throws plus the ball back
Any foul that occurs during a made basket = the offense gets 1 free throw and then their possession is over

[ILLSmak]

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I must be the only post scorer who thinks this patch has made post scorers deadly. Of course, if people make a mistake in passing you the ball ( passing it when you are camped in the lane, right when you are about to get out thus getting you 3 sec, or into heavy traffic), that happens, but in terms of being able to house people 1 on 1? haha.

I can't believe any build got as much love in this patch as post scorer, assuming you play a post scorer like a bully and aren't someone who plays finesse, but even then you can turn from the post and do an uncontested lay up, something that was much harder (for me) before.

But one of the biggest flaws in 2k post is that it seems the court is wrong-sized. People can dig in on a post guy and still get out and contest a shot, that's nogud (part of it has to do with the fact that when you try to steal from a post player in real life, you are committed more than just a neutral reach.) Still, maybe it's 'different' for post scorers, but the game is great for me right now. I didn't think 2k would do what they did and, going forward, I can only imagine they would continue this.

don't make me post some clips.

-Smak

[Housh123]

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I must be the only post scorer who thinks this patch has made post scorers deadly. Of course, if people make a mistake in passing you the ball ( passing it when you are camped in the lane, right when you are about to get out thus getting you 3 sec, or into heavy traffic), that happens, but in terms of being able to house people 1 on 1? haha.

I can't believe any build got as much love in this patch as post scorer, assuming you play a post scorer like a bully and aren't someone who plays finesse, but even then you can turn from the post and do an uncontested lay up, something that was much harder (for me) before.

But one of the biggest flaws in 2k post is that it seems the court is wrong-sized. People can dig in on a post guy and still get out and contest a shot, that's nogud (part of it has to do with the fact that when you try to steal from a post player in real life, you are committed more than just a neutral reach.) Still, maybe it's 'different' for post scorers, but the game is great for me right now. I didn't think 2k would do what they did and, going forward, I can only imagine they would continue this.

don't make me post some clips.

-Smak

Yeah iv been telling people since they make archetypes that the post scorer is the one you pick if you want to consistently score a lot of points against any defense. All you have to do is sacrifice 3 pointers. But I guess all these Steph Curry inspired little kids don't want to do that.


But iv been thinking the court seemed wrong sized too. Like in real life even if a guy throws an inlet pass on the same side you are posted up on, theres no possible way he can get back if you pass it right back.



Im not even talking about steals really




my big gripe is in the park where there is no penalty for fouling over and over. Games where my random teammate cant score I have to do all the work and games literally take 20-30 mins because guys will spam until they get the steal, foul, or get a shot clock violation. Shot clock violations is another unintended benefit of fouling a post scorer on 2s. And its something im seeing more and more in the park.




Guys talk trash to me in the park now because they know the reach button will allow them to guard me. I put 4/4 on a guy with 3 TO once and he called me a piece of trash because I couldn't avoid getting ripped. Like are you serious?

[ILLSmak]

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^ I'll take my A+ and let them get a D for reaching. I think people get kicked out for bad grade, too, and a reach is a pretty big loss. If you are beating them on the boards and scoring on them, their grade is gonna be v bad. I am not sure, but I also kind of think 2k makes your player play better/worse relative to your grade.

Most of the turnovers I get are catch turnovers, outlet pass turnovers, and those pesky "I got an offensive rebound, but I'm going to jump backwards and throw it off the back of the backboard" turnovers.

My park stats are like... 5.5 ppg, 4.5 reb, 2.0 assists. I have plenty of games where I am like 0/1 and have 6 rebounds and 6 assists. I probably pass too much, but I enjoy it. If your teammates know whats up (and I never play w/ out at least 1 friend anymore, even if we gotta go 2 on 3), there's no way that they can properly defend the post, even if they get unrealistic help.

It's like... they pass inside, the guy digs down, you pass it back out, they drive around the guy and meet the 2nd defender and pass it to you for the dunk, etc.

but, either way, I used to be getting shut down 1v1 vs 6'6 sharpshooters trying to bang them inside, so I'm happy w/ the patch.

-Smak