Resurgence of golf games

[NBaldwin]

With all th golf games out there now, it kind of brings me back to the old Course Depot days when I was playing PGA, Links, GBC. Now playing TGC, Perfect Golf, TGC on Xbox, Rory on Xbox, and even a little TW08 on PC. Kind of nice having the selection.

[Ronoko]

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Hot Shots golf has a cutesy appearance but the gameplay and physics engine is very solid.

[Matt10]

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Is it really a resurgence of "golf games"?

EA's Rory is dead and EA appears to be out of the golf business at this point

Golf Club 2 looks to be really a 1.4 version of the first game mostly with some social stuff tacked on.

Perfect Golf is the favorite if you are a true diehard real life golfer, but that is developing so slow that we may all die before it gets all the features we would want.

And beyond that there are a host of arcade like games that honestly are not golf games but just happen to resemble the sport of golf in appearance only.

It's definitely not a 1.4 version. A lot has been done. Even the trailer suggest that, but have faith, HB are a good group - and have golfers interests as a priority.

[Matt10]

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I've watched the trailer a couple times and I would love to hear what you're seeing that I am missing, from the golf aspect of things not all the society clubhouse bling and swag stuff.

They've shown literally nothing of the new swing or shot outcomes or the player cam and all the bunkers and grasses all look exceptionally the same, save for some lighting.

What am I missing around the golf aspect of things from information that's out in the open so far?

The swing in the trailer looks completely different than the avatar they've been using. The different clothes selections as well. Do you see they've added crowds as well? Ball physics are also seemingly changed.

150,000 user created golf courses can be imported from TGC1 to TGC2, that is huge in its own right. How about the time of day changes per round? For a whole minute they talk about the course creator and customization.

Like I said, have faith in the HB devs...and community. They listen to all sets of fans, and testers. I'll just keep it at that

[Golfsprince]

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Golf games in general are having quite a resurgence, at least from a roster standpoint.

Sim/Realistic golf games are low obviously, with EA done with golf and TGC 2 as the only authentic style golf game coming out.

But, as a whole, including arcade, there's quite a few options. I just love golf, authentic or arcade but that's just me.

TGC 2 looks really good from the trailer. Swing looks better, graphics, and the player customization is going to be much better and I really look forward to that.

Golf is a niche sport, we already know this, but when you think about it, basketball and football are really the only sports poppin' right now, especially with the kids.

Soccer (football) is of course the juggernaut globally. So really, it's basketball, football and football (soccer). So golf isn't the only major "niche" sport nowadays.

Happy virtual golfing!

[AnthonyKyne]

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I've watched the trailer a couple times and I would love to hear what you're seeing that I am missing, from the golf aspect of things not all the society clubhouse bling and swag stuff.

They've shown literally nothing of the new swing or shot outcomes or the player cam and all the bunkers and grasses all look exceptionally the same, save for some lighting.

What am I missing around the golf aspect of things from information that's out in the open so far?

You seem to have an agenda against TGC scagwi. I'm not sure why. Surely anyone willing to put their balls on the line and make a golf game, leaning towards a simulation and giving people options instead of the option of one game we've had years previously.
Surely as a community we should be pushing all the games that are willing to make something different.
The improvements in TGC2 over TGC are huge in comparison to what is seen in other follow up sports titles.
How can you show how the feel of a golf swing has improved in a trailer.
These trailers are to whet the appetite, swing mechanics are so far down the average buyers list of things they care about.
HB's job is to manage the hardcore golf community to make sure that you guys understand the new swing fluidity outside of the trailer. Making sure the community love it and then evangelise it through forums like this.
A trailer isn't the place for that

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[DivotMaker]

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1. Golf Club 2 looks to be really a 1.4 version of the first game mostly with some social stuff tacked on.

2. Perfect Golf is the favorite if you are a true diehard real life golfer, but that is developing so slow that we may all die before it gets all the features we would want.

1. TGC2, false. NDA prevents me from responding further.

2. Loved PG for the gameplay in TOUR Pro. Have not touched PG since starting the TGC2 Beta.

TGC2 will be my "go to" game for the foreseeable future.

PG needs some updates badly, IMO.

[NBaldwin]

Re: Resurgence of golf games

Is it really a resurgence of "golf games"?

EA's Rory is dead and EA appears to be out of the golf business at this point

Golf Club 2 looks to be really a 1.4 version of the first game mostly with some social stuff tacked on.

Perfect Golf is the favorite if you are a true diehard real life golfer, but that is developing so slow that we may all die before it gets all the features we would want.

And beyond that there are a host of arcade like games that honestly are not golf games but just happen to resemble the sport of golf in appearance only.

Yeah, I thinkit's a resurgence from an options standpoint. EA is EA and they have a game out there like they always have but now there is a good console alternative with TGC. AS far as pc's go, I can't remember how long it's been since there has been two quality offerings like PG and TGC.

[AnthonyKyne]

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I'm not trying to devalue your opinions at all. It just seems every piece of news I read about TGC2 your there immediately with a negative comment. I do understand your skepticism regarding changes when you aren't getting info, but it always seems your more glass half empty than half full in your comments.
With regards swing, talking about it in a trailer is not going to shift many more copies, but it is important to the feel of the game and keeping the hardcore, like yourself involved. Which I would say HB wants more than anything.
Have a great game for the hardcore while being popular enough to warrant the expense of continued development is the perfect storm.

Regarding marketing, I'm not sure why more hasn't appeared. I've been on the beta team and I feel the game is absolutely amazing. A really big step forward. So Maximum must have some grand marketing plan. HB have made the game and it's over to them to get people excited and into the shops


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[AnthonyKyne]

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Sorry it appears that way - Definitely my goal and I'll try to keep that in mind when making comments.

On marketing - Put in a good word for those who'd love to see a more basic video with just some gameplay, etc. Literally just you or someone playing a few holes would be awesome!

Thanks Anthony

I don't work at HB anymore, but I will pass on the info. I'm sure they will be doing a stream soon. Shaun is a way better player than me as well

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[Matt10]

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One of many things I want to see more of.
The physics in TGC 1 took a lot of license with how a golf ball should react in a lot of situations.



"100,000's of user created courses" might be better than before if they figured out filtering and auto-expired the garbage and/or basically auto-gen w/ a couple tweak courses - Haven't seen either way on that yet.

Time of day is a mixed bag and only part of the issue - It still appears to be locked to the course, so you as a user can't pick a course and specify all conditions (especially wind), which has been do-able in basically every golf game ever.

Did I get that wrong?
I'll have to watch again.

Have you joined the HB forums? Your input, and preferences, are valuable enough to warrant its own thread, or posts there. From what I see here, is you are trying to voice your opinion, just to voice it - and not gear for change. IF so, then HB forums is where it should be voiced, to make a direct impact.

As Divot mentioned, the NDA won't let me comment much more, but I will say again to have faith in everyone involved .

[DivotMaker]

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Yes I have

Would you be so kind as to echo the request for some normal gameplay footage, even if it's only distributed on the forum perhaps?

What's keeping you from asking?

If you want it so bad, there is nothing stopping you from making the request as the Devs do listen.

That being said, Maximum Games is marketing the game and it is ultimately their call at this point.

[woodjer]

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1. TGC2, false. NDA prevents me from responding further.

This made me REALLY happy as I remember you being one that had some issues with TGC1. If I'm not mistaken, you seemed to enjoy the game initially but then started to lose some of the enthusiasm. In other words, if you're happy, it's a good sign. If my memory is way off, I apologize...but I'm still happy if you are!

I assume you meant no offense - that said, it's allowed to have and voice opinions for no reason beyond discussion isn't it?

I'll start by saying that I appreciate that you have concerns and you have every right to criticize what you perceive as shortcomings. However, I do have a couple comments about the approach:

1) This particular thread was started on the topic of the resurgence of golf games in general and how it's nice to have options. In fact, the first post didn't even mention TGC2 yet, in the second post, you started criticizing it almost from the beginning. Surely you can see where that can be viewed as "having an agenda." It's fine to have a different opinion in the TGC2-specific thread but your criticism in this thread seems to be off-topic at best.

2) In the TGC2-specific thread (and, to a lesser extent this one), my perception of your comments is that you are looking down on those of us who are excited about the game...some of us simply because we enjoyed TGC1. Again, that's my perception and maybe others don't share it. I'm also fairly certain that isn't your intent but, at least for me, it does come across that way. Simply put...what does it matter if I'm excited about the game but you aren't?

If others share my thoughts on this matter, it may be why it appears to you that they are "dismissing your skepticism." You're entitled to your part of the discussion but it shouldn't feel as though you're telling me that I'm wrong for my opinion. And nobody should be telling you that either. In the end, we're all (other than the beta group) forming our opinions from the same information...we just happen to be considering different things is all. Your things happen to be visual items that I don't care as much about whereas I actually do kinda like the social aspect and you don't seem to care about that. In the end, I hope we can all agree that having options is NEVER a bad thing.

[scagwi]

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@woodjer

I did not mean to put anyone else down or any of the other things you mentioned...
I'm sorry it felt that way to you - Certainly not my intent.

I quit - Sorry I said anything

[scagwi]

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What's keeping you from asking?

That being said, Maximum Games is marketing the game and it is ultimately their call at this point.

Others already have asked (JC) and just going off of Keith's responses, it's clear he's (and HB) sort of doing all he can already within Max Games rules.

Just feels pointless to say anything there at this point.