Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

[splashmountain]

Post scorers Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thru moves without being Blocked pretty much every time.

I wish I could've shared my xbox video but the uploading to xbox feature has been messed up for a few days now.

I did it twice. once in the park with my 6'10 240 athletic finisher/post scorer thats an 86 all bars maxed out as they could be. No i do not have the up and under badge yet. I should not need that badge to do that move against other 60 rated guys that i fake out of their shoes.


Ex. back to the basket. back down, back down, Up fake... the defenders (two of them. Jump Up. I'm turning around to face them while they are in the air. there is room between the two of them to step thru and lay the ball up. Nope. They land on the ball as they come down. BODY BLOCK. I lose the ball end of story.

ex.2 one v one. My big in the post. gets the ball. Up fakes..
.... The should be slower 7'3 340 lb center(rebounder shot creator) Jumps...
....I now go under and should be slightly around the defender. (remember i faked him out of his shoes at this point. he's way up in the air going for a block.
...I go up and now he's coming down and lands on the ball. another Body BLOCK. i lose the ball. end of story.

this happened to me multiple times yesterday as well. Perfectly setup Up and Under move. can't pull it off because they make your offensive player show the ball and more or less stick the ball out in the area where the defender will always land on it. If that is the case the up and under can't be used at all. and if by chance I need a badge to do that move vs very low rated non defenders that i fake to death. then that would be a sad state of affairs.

**for reference. I dont have the drop stepper badge either. But that works just fine if the guy is on the incorrect shoulder while playing defense with my back to the basket. So again that tells me you dont need the badge in order to just do the move when you should do it vs lesser defenders. This may be an issue that needs to be fixed in regards to what a fighting game would call the hit box. or area surrounding the players thats like a force field. its larger than that actual players. sometimes its too large. so that it causes contact when there is clearly no visual contact. so maybe the ball isnt actually being landed on by the defender. maybe that defenders hit box is landing on it. that would mean you can't post someone up and do that move because you would always be too close to their hit box.***

how a version of an up and under should look. notice he goes to the side of bron. thats the problem its not allowing me to go to the side of the defender.


video should start at the 0:24 spot

https://youtu.be/vDcHrD3RTVI?t=24

up and under versus two people. should start at the 4:43 spot

https://youtu.be/SgCiqocx6WQ?t=283

[shayellis]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

I agree with all of this. This could easily be remedied by 2k if they just make it so: If you jump on defense and land on someone, its likely to be a foul.

But instead of that happening, in 2k they land on you and you lose the ball to a "block". Its a joke. 2k increase the fouls for when people jump, its asinine right now

The classic rule of defense: "Don't leave your feet" is completely ignored in 2k

[splashmountain]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

I agree with all of this. This could easily be remedied by 2k if they just make it so: If you jump on defense and land on someone, its likely to be a foul.

But instead of that happening, in 2k they land on you and you lose the ball to a "block". Its a joke. 2k increase the fouls for when people jump, its asinine right now

The classic rule of defense: "Don't leave your feet" is completely ignored in 2k

Thats one way to half fix the issue. but then it would cause a foul everytime they jumped. thats not realistic either.

but here's the animation they need to add in what you're talking about when a player attempts to do an up and under or an up fake then the guy goes for it and is jumping towards the offensive player. he will hit the body of the shooter. thats a foul.

video starts at 0:18

https://youtu.be/SgCiqocx6WQ?t=18

But again. I dont want a foul every time the defender jumps. I wanta foul a lot of times if the defender lands on me YES. But I need 2k devs to figure out how to make sure my guy gets to go up, then under and around the defenders body left or right side of their body(depending on which way I'm pushing my stick when I do the last part of the Under Move. If i push it back Up slightly to the Right. then I should go to the right side of the defender. that means if the defender knows what he's doing and times it right. he could possibly get a legit hand block on it or bother it a lot if he jumps that side of my shot. but if he goes there and I Push up and to the left. He should be Toast. and I need him to jump completley to the side of me. if He jumps straight towards me not choosing a side and I go up and thru . he will land on me. thats a foul. But right now the move isnt going around anyone. its only going into them straight. i need that around animation and i would like to control which way i go around the player.


***i'm telling you...If i could've just shared one of those clips. I had the two guys up in the air so bad and about to step thru. you would've sworn it was Hakeem in his prime. It looked lovely. then the body block. made me wanna toss the controller.

Thats the kind of frustration only 2k has ever given me. On one hand it looks so beautiful. then the results are just awful in some instances. I mean 2k is that hot chick with a real strong Jawline. so if you see he straight on she's a dime. But if she turns slightly to the left or right in the wrong lighting...you're like yo....is that a man... oops my bad. thats a girl...oh wait she kinda cute. lol

[BluFu]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

Agreed. There's almost zero disadvantage to biting on a pump fake at the moment.

[shayellis]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

Thats one way to half fix the issue. but then it would cause a foul everytime they jumped. thats not realistic either.

but here's the animation they need to add in what you're talking about when a player attempts to do an up and under or an up fake then the guy goes for it and is jumping towards the offensive player. he will hit the body of the shooter. thats a foul.

video starts at 0:18

https://youtu.be/SgCiqocx6WQ?t=18

But again. I dont want a foul every time the defender jumps. I wanta foul a lot of times if the defender lands on me YES. But I need 2k devs to figure out how to make sure my guy gets to go up, then under and around the defenders body left or right side of their body(depending on which way I'm pushing my stick when I do the last part of the Under Move. If i push it back Up slightly to the Right. then I should go to the right side of the defender. that means if the defender knows what he's doing and times it right. he could possibly get a legit hand block on it or bother it a lot if he jumps that side of my shot. but if he goes there and I Push up and to the left. He should be Toast. and I need him to jump completley to the side of me. if He jumps straight towards me not choosing a side and I go up and thru . he will land on me. thats a foul. But right now the move isnt going around anyone. its only going into them straight. i need that around animation and i would like to control which way i go around the player.


***i'm telling you...If i could've just shared one of those clips. I had the two guys up in the air so bad and about to step thru. you would've sworn it was Hakeem in his prime. It looked lovely. then the body block. made me wanna toss the controller.

Great video and Timestamp. I agree. That animation would be nice to have. I also don't expect a foul to be called everytime, but I do want it a bit more.

[olajuwon34]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

Yah post play is basically inept at times because of the way a defender can play you, he can be a jumping jack rabbit and defend you, he can morph thru your body to block you, i dont understand the post play this year, atleast someone else notices too.

[airborn0071373]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

That would explain why my Shaquille got blocked 3x in a row by Duncan lol. I thought he just has a high shot blocking percentage. It made Shaq such a useless player and I never went back to posting him up.

[olajuwon34]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

And to add , it seems that way to much good shots miss even with the best Big men in the game, iv had single coverage in dominant position and il just miss any hook shots i shoot, its also harder to control what hook shots you do this year, and to me it seems harder to move in the post, its like you automatically go into this drawn out back down animation, the post needs to be fixed.

Just watch how the best post player ever use to do it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtgogsWXN3U

[Fullspeed]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

I agree with all of this. This could easily be remedied by 2k if they just make it so: If you jump on defense and land on someone, its likely to be a foul.

But instead of that happening, in 2k they land on you and you lose the ball to a "block". Its a joke. 2k increase the fouls for when people jump, its asinine right now

The classic rule of defense: "Don't leave your feet" is completely ignored in 2k

The post game is definitely more fluid this year but there is no point if people are getting away with body blocks and jumping on your player with no calls.

[splashmountain]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

And to add , it seems that way to much good shots miss even with the best Big men in the game, iv had single coverage in dominant position and il just miss any hook shots i shoot, its also harder to control what hook shots you do this year, and to me it seems harder to move in the post, its like you automatically go into this drawn out back down animation, the post needs to be fixed.

I truly believe the actual Layups(hooks, anything not a dunk or a jumper) or broken at this point in time with certain players. not just bigs.

just like we hear people complaining about the dunks being broken for certain guys. we're not talking contested dunks. guys that cant dunk wide open. its making them lay it up even though they have dunks equipped to their guy. layups are always equipped. but they make you blow layups like crazy on this game right now. you let it the go quickly, blown, you hold it a little longer, blown. you hold it long, blown. you use the analog stick only..blown. you pull back. blown. push up blown. push the right or left and up ..blown. left or right all side. blown.

its sad really. but the same guy will dunk on two or more people which looks real nice when it happens but man. everyone doesnt want to be Deandre jordan with no actual post game. lol.

if you're going to have a post scorer archetype. i want to work people out with that layup fest.

[splashmountain]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

The post game is definitely more fluid this year but there is no point if people are getting away with body blocks and jumping on your player with no calls.

hey, that post movement is a thing of beauty. but like you said. it doesnt matter. cause I'm getting body block darn near everytime. the only two moves that work well are the spin to the middle move and the drop step. thats because those animations already make you go around your defender(or attempt to).

Someone might have forgotten about that with the up and under.

either that or they are forcing you to have a super high post control to pull it off. which would still be silly. even the weakest bigs in the nba with no post game know how to do an up and under if asked to do it. thats something you're taught in high school if you have a good coach or at worse college.

all big men know the move. the reason you dont see nba bigs doing it anymore is because most of them dont have the super high iq to know WHEN to use the move. thats the difference between hakeem and deandre jordan. or better yet andrew bynum before the knees were gone and deandre jordan.

you have to know the move, then know when to use it. this is why dwight was never great in the post. he could not remember when to use the other post moves and he was taught by Pat ewing and Hakeem.

[splashmountain]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

I found something in practice the other day. i was doing one of those post move practices in the team practice gym. where it asks you to do X amt of up and unders. I did this practice twice. I did the proper stick controlled up and under and got my points. but here's the kicker. the animation wasn't putting my guy up and around the guy(for the step thru).

To get that animation that we have been talking about. I needed to first Drop step. then I could either use to the RT and step thru and around my guy(real nice animations). or i could use X and move the left stick in either direction to choose which side i wanted to go towards. But non of these counted as up and unders in that practice even though they were visually.

[shayellis]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

I found something in practice the other day. i was doing one of those post move practices in the team practice gym. where it asks you to do X amt of up and unders. I did this practice twice. I did the proper stick controlled up and under and got my points. but here's the kicker. the animation wasn't putting my guy up and around the guy(for the step thru).

To get that animation that we have been talking about. I needed to first Drop step. then I could either use to the RT and step thru and around my guy(real nice animations). or i could use X and move the left stick in either direction to choose which side i wanted to go towards. But non of these counted as up and unders in that practice even though they were visually.

Im going to try this when I get home and probably post the results.

[Mani Gultinder]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

I found something in practice the other day. i was doing one of those post move practices in the team practice gym. where it asks you to do X amt of up and unders. I did this practice twice. I did the proper stick controlled up and under and got my points. but here's the kicker. the animation wasn't putting my guy up and around the guy(for the step thru).



To get that animation that we have been talking about. I needed to first Drop step. then I could either use to the RT and step thru and around my guy(real nice animations). or i could use X and move the left stick in either direction to choose which side i wanted to go towards. But non of these counted as up and unders in that practice even though they were visually.

Can confirm. I just do the post offense drill. Spin to drop then up and under.

But yeah nothing seems to register for the specific up and under drill.

[Hellquist]

Re: Can't Do Up & Unders/or Up and step Thrus without being Blocked

Pump fakes on this game are a joke. They don't even flinch. The post moves are nice but you get blocked 99% of the time.