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  • JustBlazeM8
    Rookie
    • Apr 2016
    • 408

    #1

    I have a few questions...

    Do excuse me if some of these points have already been addressed. I've been out of the loop for a while so I'm playing catch up here. I just need some clarity.

    As someone who was highly competitive in the last game, I was pumped coming into this game. Very pumped. Hell, I speak for a few others too who share the same feelings when this game was released. However, a lot of us were disappointed at how it turned out. Thus, on behalf of myself and others, I have a few questions:

    1) What is going on with the stamina?

    On the ground, it's underpowered. In the last game, stamina was worked brilliantly, but now it just seems like a bore-stay-in-half-guard type stuff as no other positions can really be worked (unless you're in crucifix). I can only imagine this was nerfed to even out the competitive playing field in terms of grappling.

    1.5) In stand up... If I'm not throwing much and my opponent throws hell in the first round, why are they STILL attacking with the same amount of power in the second and third round? It could be my chin is depleting, or the uppercut is that damn powerful. I just need some insight. Personally, I feel there is no incentive to play the long game because of how easily I could get caught with a uppercut-hook (look at point 2).

    Furthermore, chomping at the body should be one of many routes to depleting stamina and not the only way. If someone throws a spinning kick and I block it, it should drain their stamina a lot more and they should not be able to regenerate at more or less the same rate as me. If they throw a lot of jabs and straights, I should have a considerable amount of stamina left compared to them, if all I was doing was blocking and keeping space. Instead, it's very minimal compared to before.

    2) Following up from 1.5, dodge-uppercut-hook. My God, this is THE most overused combo in ranked at the minute, and I can see why. Dodge-uppercut gives ridiculous counter power and hits through the middle, whilst the hook hits through the side - you have all bases covered. The dodge-uppercut is near impossible to defend too, and should it hit, then you're in a hitstun and straight into a hook which rocks you. Egh. Nerf?

    3) Clinching. Easy to break with the single leg takedown flick. No incentive, and no point. Thus, grappling to begin in this edition is more or less redundant.

    4) High-block, body knee. Not much you can do to stop it, and well known against high ranked players. I don't think I need to say anything else.

    5) Top mount... I'm raining down hammerfists and hooks to someone who barely has their block up, then when they transition into half guard, their block is all the way up and I have to start from status quo again. Why? How? I just knocked them down so they should still be vulnerable. Again, last game had it right, but this year they have taken that away. I don't get it.

    I guess the general question to all of this is, how can I stop those little things from happening? Or just leave your complimentary/opposing thoughts down below - whatever suits. Just thought I'd air my frustrations out there.
    Last edited by JustBlazeM8; 02-26-2018, 07:58 AM.
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  • Find_the_Door
    Nogueira connoisseur
    • Jan 2012
    • 4051

    #2
    Re: I have a few questions...

    You're not wrong and most of it is getting addressed. One thing that might not sadly is the body knee. I feel like it's gonna be the death of this game to be honest. I'm not sure how they're gonna balance it out.


    I know for one thing it's far too convenient to input at the moment. Holding block and simply tapping X or O is far to simple. The knee should be schemed in such a way to it requires you to not be able to immediately block your face.

    When I use Nog he has a body knee but it's only when you're too close and are trying to throw a push kick.

    The input for his push kick is L1 R1 Square and X

    This is a complex enough input that the player isn't able to immediately block afterwards and will deliberately choose when they throw it.
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    • Nugget7211
      MVP
      • Nov 2017
      • 1401

      #3
      Re: I have a few questions...

      Originally posted by Find_the_Door
      You're not wrong and most of it is getting addressed. One thing that might not sadly is the body knee. I feel like it's gonna be the death of this game to be honest. I'm not sure how they're gonna balance it out.


      I know for one thing it's far too convenient to input at the moment. Holding block and simply tapping X or O is far to simple. The knee should be schemed in such a way to it requires you to not be able to immediately block your face.

      When I use Nog he has a body knee but it's only when you're too close and are trying to throw a push kick.

      The input for his push kick is L1 R1 Square and X

      This is a complex enough input that the player isn't able to immediately block afterwards and will deliberately choose when they throw it.
      I'm just curious what you think the input should be. The push kick knee doesn't work if I want to step in with a knee (same thing with all the other kicks that convert into knees) or back up and throw a knee, so you can't just remove it and use those knees.

      I'm not 100% sure that I want it changed, but I guess you could use R2+R1 then circle or X. I'm pretty sure that's not an input for anything right now and would make it slightly more complicated and make it slightly harder to throw straight from block. I'd like to wait and see if the patch changes anything about block strength or movement speed first though, no need to complicate things if it won't be necessary after those changes.
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      • TheJamesKraus
        Pro
        • Oct 2017
        • 573

        #4
        Re: I have a few questions...

        Knees should be a soft combo if thrown in rapid succession?? Only way I can think to stop it.

        I haven’t really experienced knee spammers that much, maybe 2-3. But they soon stop when you blast them in the face with a couple of hooks.

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        • netsfreak
          Rookie
          • Sep 2002
          • 264

          #5
          Re: I have a few questions...

          All of the back positions seem broken too? ... I had someone flattened out in back mount. All shots did no damage and if I postured up I lost stamina so fast again I could do no damage. He just layed there the whole time blocking.

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          • ExOicho
            Banned
            • Feb 2018
            • 185

            #6
            Re: I have a few questions...

            Originally posted by netsfreak
            All of the back positions seem broken too? ... I had someone flattened out in back mount. All shots did no damage and if I postured up I lost stamina so fast again I could do no damage. He just layed there the whole time blocking.

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            I think I saw a game changer or maybe it was GPD said they were aware of this. Its pretty ridiculous that you can't finish the fight with strikes when you have somebody flattened.

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            • a4einboy
              Rookie
              • Mar 2017
              • 68

              #7
              Re: I have a few questions...

              its not just the uppercut hook that always gets rocks its every strike. not every fighter should have mike tysons power in his prime. we should have to work for a rock and that what i thought the head meter was for. and as far as the knee goes i think a blocked knee should give you a free takedown . blocked leg kicks and blocked knees should be a free takedown that way it keeps it from being spammed .

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              • Find_the_Door
                Nogueira connoisseur
                • Jan 2012
                • 4051

                #8
                Re: I have a few questions...

                Originally posted by netsfreak
                All of the back positions seem broken too? ... I had someone flattened out in back mount. All shots did no damage and if I postured up I lost stamina so fast again I could do no damage. He just layed there the whole time blocking.

                Sent from my SM-N920V using Operation Sports mobile app
                High level players will literally just sit there in turtle, back mount and flattened back mount. They won't attempt to transition and will simply sit there as there's no way you can block break from there without being shaken off.
                Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira - UFC Hall of Fame

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                • Boiler569
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 2006

                  #9
                  Re: I have a few questions...

                  Originally posted by netsfreak
                  All of the back positions seem broken too? ... I had someone flattened out in back mount. All shots did no damage and if I postured up I lost stamina so fast again I could do no damage. He just layed there the whole time blocking.

                  Sent from my SM-N920V using Operation Sports mobile app
                  This is definitely something that needs to be looked at.

                  Has potential for abuse (see Find The Door's message) --- but even that set aside, taking someone's back seems very anti-climatic and not Dangerous.

                  I mean, I love taking someone's back so that I can get into Full Mount ---- and yea I've gotten a few RNC submissions --- but 9 times out of 10 I'm just like "hooray, i have back mount, how quickly can I move to an actual dominate position?"
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                  • kush land
                    Banned
                    • May 2016
                    • 443

                    #10
                    Re: I have a few questions...

                    Maybe im wrong but i don't remember that many fights in real life ending in back mount for strikes? i see fighters get stuck when they get there back takin for most of the round or subbed but i can't think of 1 flatten back mount finish from strikes i know it happens but not very often most gnp is from half guard back mount should be hard 2 get out of not a free finish but i dont really care at this point they can do whatever the fuk they want turn the game into a grapplers delight and watch how fast people stop playing

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                    • HereticGabriel
                      Pro
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 614

                      #11
                      Re: I have a few questions...

                      The two that come to mind first is Hughes vs Gracie and most recent Rockhold vs Branch, both finished in back flat mount

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                      • Trillz
                        MVP
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 1369

                        #12
                        Re: I have a few questions...

                        Originally posted by HereticGabriel
                        The two that come to mind first is Hughes vs Gracie and most recent Rockhold vs Branch, both finished in back flat mount
                        Teixera vs Misha cirkunov aswell.
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                        • JustBlazeM8
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 408

                          #13
                          Re: I have a few questions...

                          Sick of being rocked with constant Mike Tyson uppercuts after clearly outboxing people. They should nerf the *** **** thing. If it's not that, then its the judges giving them the win after the stats say otherwise. Stats! They're not even subjective.

                          I quit playing this until a patch comes out. This is absolutely ridiculous.
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