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**p00p1** · 04-20-2018, 12:44 PM

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It seems like since the developers stopped contributing to discussions here on OS, the state of their game has really gone downhill. And I mean like actual interaction, not just a post here or there every 2-3 weeks

**nomo17k** · 04-20-2018, 01:14 PM

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I just hope the devs don't fix issues via patching the whole game when issues are isolated to a specific section of user base. If it's a bug, then that's a good case for a patch... but a game balance issue? Please don't. They could probably change a difficulty/slider setting for the mode.

**Baseball Purist** · 04-20-2018, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by nomo17k

I just hope the devs don't fix issues via patching the whole game when issues are isolated to a specific section of user base. If it's a bug, then that's a good case for a patch... but a game balance issue? Please don't. They could probably change a difficulty/slider setting for the mode.

This is my exact cause for concern for each patch. Bugs and animation issues im all for patching, but to hear the mentioning of pci and pitch speed at this point is disheartening. Ive stopped the automatic downloads for patches for fear of how much things will change especially as im striding in my franchise and really enjoying how things are playing.

**Roscosuper** · 04-20-2018, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Baseball Purist

This is my exact cause for concern for each patch. Bugs and animation issues im all for patching, but to hear the mentioning of pci and pitch speed at this point is disheartening. Ive stopped the automatic downloads for patches for fear of how much things will change especially as im striding in my franchise and really enjoying how things are playing.

Yeah, but the game isn't competitive anymore. It's been watered down in another attempt to turn "players into payers". Or more accurately, it's being manipulated to turn "players into payers" and now there's a backlash, just like for Madden, NHL, FIFA, etc.

The main points of contention on TSN are: Pitch speed - and the ineffectiveness of the fastball; Lack of Ks; PCI issues - too big and moving irreverent of user input; Fielding - too many errors and WTF moments.

I understand, you don't want major changes because you found your groove, but this is the way of things now. SDS has gone the way of the EAvil Empire and there's a resistance to it and it hasn't found an equilibrium.

My franchise is on hold until I see where this is going to settle. It sucks, but those guys have a right to complain and demand change because the game is being turned into a money-grab-mind-fuk.

**bcruise** · 04-20-2018, 03:05 PM

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I don't think I'd expect anything from a post specifically made regarding Online gameplay to affect things on the offline side, which I assume is the concern being expressed in this thread. Did any of you notice the offline PCI's or pitch speeds being different when they ran their BR test this past weekend, or even that they ran one at all until you read this post? I'd imagine not, and that's because the changes were all on the server-side, and they only had an effect on one online mode - which was really noticeable to people who play both BR and Ranked Seasons.

Aside from the fielding issues (which do affect both online and off), I believe that tweaking the online play is all that they're talking about here.

**taterskin** · 04-20-2018, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by bcruise

I don't think I'd expect anything from a post specifically made regarding Online gameplay to affect things on the offline side, which I assume is the concern being expressed in this thread. Did any of you notice the offline PCI's or pitch speeds being different when they ran their BR test this past weekend, or even that they ran one at all until you read this post? I'd imagine not, and that's because the changes were all on the server-side, and they only had an effect on one online mode - which was really noticeable to people who play both BR and Ranked Seasons.

Aside from the fielding issues (which do affect both online and off), I believe that tweaking the online play is all that they're talking about here.

Hope you're right.... as I don't have any issues with ineffective fastball, pci size, fielding etc. I don't play much online head to head though. As for the "money grab".... I don't have any issues earning stubs and don't spend a dollar. There are other means....

**oilersfan99** · 04-20-2018, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by p00p1

It seems like since the developers stopped contributing to discussions here on OS, the state of their game has really gone downhill. And I mean like actual interaction, not just a post here or there every 2-3 weeks

Do you blame them? Look at the venom of people here and on tsn. They bash the developers for being lazy, that they don't care, that the just produce a game and count their money and so on. Every little thing that happens in a game is posted on, bashed like mad and then things tend to get personal. I don't blame them for not posting and staying away from here.

I'm not saying that some of the problems don't deserve to be called out or brought up but when it's a constant barrage of it, I wouldn't hang around for it either. If things were done in constructive ways, I'm willing to bet there would be more communication like there used to be

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**p00p1** · 04-20-2018, 03:34 PM

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Feels like there is more vitriol because of the lack of communication here now. I assume they steered away from OS to push ppl to their own TSN website to maintain some control over it. Or maybe they just prefer Twitter.

Unfortunately instead of direct communication/feedback, we're getting these poor releases experiences, minimal interaction, then a few months in a blog post about how they were disappointed with the issues they had at release, are working on improving the game, etc. then pass out free stubs/packs and move on.

**nomo17k** · 04-20-2018, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by oilersfan99

Do you blame them? Look at the venom of people here and on tsn. They bash the developers for being lazy, that they don't care, that the just produce a game and count their money and so on. Every little thing that happens in a game is posted on, bashed like mad and then things tend to get personal. I don't blame them for not posting and staying away from here.

I'm not saying that some of the problems don't deserve to be called out or brought up but when it's a constant barrage of it, I wouldn't hang around for it either. If things were done in constructive ways, I'm willing to bet there would be more communication like there used to be

While I agree that most online forums are full of venomous people bashing the devs undeservingly, OS (The Show forum; I don't frequent other subforums so I don't know about others) has been relatively constructive, partly because moderators are fairly active I think.

TSN to me has become so intolerably chaotic that I rarely visit there any more. Much of the things going on in that forum is a small set of same issues repeatedly over and over by basically the same people. How the devs think that constitutes more constructive feedback than that in a place like OS is beyond me.

**Bochte23** · 04-20-2018, 04:03 PM

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bottom line: they don't give a damn. It's pretty much a repeat of last couple years. Hype game, release game with a ton of problems, fix a couple issues while creating other issues, give the old standby "we are looking into these issues" rhetoric, disappear until next year. Rinse and repeat. As long as they making money, they do not care, period. It's pure business.

**jeffy777** · 04-20-2018, 04:16 PM

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Agree with nomo. OS should feel like a safe haven to them compared to the cess pool that is their facebook page for example. Props to the mods for keeping this place constructive and awesome.

**Caulfield** · 04-20-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Bochte23

bottom line: they don't give a damn. It's pretty much a repeat of last couple years. Hype game, release game with a ton of problems, fix a couple issues while creating other issues, give the old standby "we are looking into these issues" rhetoric, disappear until next year. Rinse and repeat. As long as they making money, they do not care, period. It's pure business.

What I don't understand is the people who expect this, purchase anyways, then are frustrated they didn't get what they expected. I guess that's what they mean when they say a sucker born every minute.

**p00p1** · 04-20-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by Caulfield

What I don't understand is the people who expect this, purchase anyways, then are frustrated they didn't get what they expected. I guess that's what they mean when they say a sucker born every minute.

Lack of alternatives. This is the first year I bought the game were I honestly have regrets about not keeping last years game.

**jeffy777** · 04-20-2018, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by p00p1

Lack of alternatives. This is the first year I bought the game were I honestly have regrets about not keeping last years game.

Honest question: What was better about 17? Aside from the omission of game modes, I'm not seeing how 17 was superior.

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