no lecs this year?

[1212headkick]

just wondering why? wanted to see kenetic get the win on stage

[aholbert32]

Re: no lecs this year?

They havent scheduled a big LEC like with UFC2 but I think they had a smaller one a few weeks ago.

[Michaelhimself]

Re: no lecs this year?

Speaking of LEC, I’ll actually drop a little knowledge in here. I’ll change names so as not to break any rules.

I’m not going to share my opinions (frankly I don’t have any)... I’m just going to keep it simple and list the facts. People can interpret it however they’d like:

The best player mentioned in the OP, let’s call him Ken.

Fact #1: Ken was one of 4 contestants who qualified to compete at the EA UFC 2 LEC finale in Las Vegas (winner gets $10k).
Fact #2: One of the 4 players who attended the LEC finals in Vegas DID NOT legally qualify at all; Ken played for them on their account.
Fact #3: Because Ken was far better than anyone else on UFC 2, he was indeed capable of qualifying for the same tournament multiple times.
Fact #4: Ken used this to his advantage. After qualifying himself, he qualied one of his friends by playing for them on their account. In doing so, he got to bring a buddy to Vegas, whilst simultaneously eliminating one of the 4 open spots from a more deserving player.
Fact #5: The player that Ken played for and illegally qualified was actually a gamechanger at the time, but I won’t name names.
Fact #6: Playing on someone else’s account to qualify them for the Vegas tournament would not only be a dishonest, selfish act. It would be against the rules. (Keep in mind, the tournament was for $10k)
Fact #7: Someone who has used dishonesty to serve their own interests is likely to do so again.

Fact #8. Ken joined his buddy (the guy he qualified for the Vegas Tourney) on the gamechangers team for the production of UFC 3.

[Skynet]

Re: no lecs this year?

Some interesting 'facts' you've got there. Any source for them?

Edit: I'm not discounting whatever facts it is you think you have, and maybe they are indeed true. However, I'd like to add some things from the inside:

Fact: 'Ken' is undeniably one of the best players this game has seen, and he has incredible insight into the game, its balance, and how changes will/do effect it. For this reason, he was chosen as a game changer.

Fact: The only game changer who was in the LEC tournament is also an incredibly skilled player, and without a doubt has the ability to contend for a spot in such a competition.

Attacking people, GC's or not, is not something that is going to do any good to anyone, and is almost certainly against some kind of rule here. If you think there is a legitimate problem here, and that you have actual proof of these things, then contact us directly and provide such evidence. Don't state it as fact in a public forum, especially if you can't back it up somehow. Actually, just don't do that.

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: no lecs this year?

What is your problem Relaxed? We use to be homies too.

People always underestimated Zhunter on UFC2. ****, maybe we should go hop on UFC2 and I could post our old Rivalry record. Fact of the matter is - Zack was a freaking beast.

Another thing - devs go through a week long process after LEC completion to determine if anyone was in anyway cheating. They can easily see if anyone is playing for someone.,

I don’t really understand the post other than to just troll me like old times. At least be funny with it, this kinda **** is beneath you man.

[ZHunter1990]

Re: no lecs this year?

Speaking of LEC, I’ll actually drop a little knowledge in here. I’ll change names so as not to break any rules.

I’m not going to share my opinions (frankly I don’t have any)... I’m just going to keep it simple and list the facts. People can interpret it however they’d like:

The best player mentioned in the OP, let’s call him Ken.

Fact #1: Ken was one of 4 contestants who qualified to compete at the EA UFC 2 LEC finale in Las Vegas (winner gets $10k).
Fact #2: One of the 4 players who attended the LEC finals in Vegas DID NOT legally qualify at all; Ken played for them on their account.
Fact #3: Because Ken was far better than anyone else on UFC 2, he was indeed capable of qualifying for the same tournament multiple times.
Fact #4: Ken used this to his advantage. After qualifying himself, he qualied one of his friends by playing for them on their account. In doing so, he got to bring a buddy to Vegas, whilst simultaneously eliminating one of the 4 open spots from a more deserving player.
Fact #5: The player that Ken played for and illegally qualified was actually a gamechanger at the time, but I won’t name names.
Fact #6: Playing on someone else’s account to qualify them for the Vegas tournament would not only be a dishonest, selfish act. It would be against the rules. (Keep in mind, the tournament was for $10k)
Fact #7: Someone who has used dishonesty to serve their own interests is likely to do so again.

Fact #8. Ken joined his buddy (the guy he qualified for the Vegas Tourney) on the gamechangers team for the production of UFC 3.

Facts can be proven. So none of these are "facts"

Lets cut the ****, I beat your *** in ranked for the first 6 months of UFC2 and the only win you got on me in that time was when my controller batterys died. You are notorious for catching on slowly and you've admitted it yourself. There were very few good players at that time.
Kenetic, Dmart, Afro, myself, BrandNewMac, and Raxcks(Who improved quite a bit during the LECs)

I mean, your the same guy who blocked all of the above in ranked in the beginning of the game to try in order to secure a higher win rate.

Devs investigate the winning profiles in LECs. Period.

The most annoying thing about this entire post is you discrediting the amount of work I put in to secure my spot because you feel like spreading a rumor. I spent days and days sleep deprived securing my spot.

[Irishthug]

Re: no lecs this year?

Does it really matter at this point? Fro took the title anyway. Back on thread... will there be any LEC for money this time around?

[Michaelhimself]

Re: no lecs this year?

Fact: The only game changer who was in the LEC tournament is also an incredibly skilled player, and without a doubt has the ability to contend for a spot in such a competition.

Oh undeniably. Very good player, one of the top guys. Consistently had around a 8:1 ratio on UFC 2 if I remember correctly. I don’t remember exactly what his W/L ratio was; I know it was good, somewhere between 7:1 and 10:1.

Being said, I know it wasn’t 185-1 good, as his LEC record mysteriously shot to, immediately after creating a new account. Having been an extremely active player in the competitive UFC 2 scene, I can assure you that the only person on Xbox with the ability to accrue a record like that at the time was Kenetic (MexikkoDro came along a few months later).

Additionally, Z’s style on UFC 2 was entirely grappling based. His standup was good but he was a grappler, that was his style and that’s how he played UFC 2. His ducking single leg was very good, good fundamentals. Played him several times.

Just put it all together man. His record goes from 8:1 in ranked to 185:1 in LEC (where the players were more competitive) on the drop of a dime, all his stats drastically change overnight to perfectly mirror kenetic’s finishing rate and avg fight time, and he’s using a new account (probably didn’t want to share pw for the main). Just look at the fight he had in the LEC vs Afro. Does that look like someone who’s 185-1 with an 85% KO rate? He’s clearly a grappler and that fight shows it.

If you can look up IPs, perhaps thats the only way to get the “concrete” evidence you’re looking for (not sure if that would even work). If there was anyway to see if Z’s 185-1 acct was ever online at the same time as Kenetic NRG, that would be helpful as well (probably impossible).

But in my opinion, it’s clear as day. If you’re not part of the competitive scene, perhaps this sounds like another language to you. But I’ve been pretty involved in the competitive scene, especially at that time, and I stand by everything I’m saying.

Yes, I know Kenetic’s very skilled and knowledgeable. I actually learn a lot just watching his YouTube videos and I used to chat with him a lot. Cool guy. So I’m not out to get him at all. This isn’t “attacking” as you put it. Just want to share what I know, so perhaps it can be avoided/watched in future LECs.

[Michaelhimself]

Re: no lecs this year?

Facts can be proven. So none of these are "facts"

Lets cut the ****, I beat your *** in ranked for the first 6 months of UFC2 and the only win you got on me in that time was when my controller batterys died. You are notorious for catching on slowly and you've admitted it yourself. There were very few good players at that time.
Kenetic, Dmart, Afro, myself, BrandNewMac, and Raxcks(Who improved quite a bit during the LECs)

I mean, your the same guy who blocked all of the above in ranked in the beginning of the game to try in order to secure a higher win rate.

Devs investigate the winning profiles in LECs. Period.

The most annoying thing about this entire post is you discrediting the amount of work I put in to secure my spot because you feel like spreading a rumor. I spent days and days sleep deprived securing my spot.

Lol are you kidding me? You think I cared at all about losing to you? I openly discuss and credit players who beat me all the time. I could care less about losing on a videogame.

Look, I get it. You gotta come on here and defend yourself, bringing up your ranked wins over me is a good idea. Try to make it look like this whole elaborate explanation of how you didn’t actually qualify for LEC is just cause I’m mad you beat me on a videogame 2 years ago. It’s kind of a stretch, but it’s really all you can do, right?

Honestly I don’t blame you. Hell if Kenetic told me he’ll play for me on my account and qualify me for a trip to Vegas best believe I’d sit back and let him do it lol.

Edit: Look at my response to the dev on page 1 and counter any of those points if you’re actually interested in discussing this.

[1212headkick]

Re: no lecs this year?

Lol are you kidding me? You think I cared at all about losing to you? I openly discuss and credit players who beat me all the time. I could care less about losing on a videogame.

Look, I get it. You gotta come on here and defend yourself, bringing up your ranked wins over me is a good idea. Try to make it look like this whole elaborate explanation of how you didn’t actually qualify for LEC is just cause I’m mad you beat me on a videogame 2 years ago. It’s kind of a stretch, but it’s really all you can do, right?

Honestly I don’t blame you. Hell if Kenetic told me he’ll play for me on my account and qualify me for a trip to Vegas best believe I’d sit back and let him do it lol.

Edit: Look at my response to the dev on page 1 and counter any of those points if you’re actually interested in discussing this.

You are incredibly ignorant. He’s done a lot for this communi t. Hunter as well. Because of them we have the esfl. Your ungrateful

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: no lecs this year?

I guess I played for Afro too, huh Relaxed?

If you think Z wasn’t good enough to get 185 wins then how the hell did Afro manage 300? You and I both know Z was better at the time.

No one played on anyones accounts dude. Take your bull**** conspiracy elsewhere.

[Irishthug]

Re: no lecs this year?

I guess I played for Afro too, huh Relaxed?

If you think Z wasn’t good enough to get 185 wins then how the hell did Afro manage 300? You and I both know Z was better at the time.

No one played on anyones accounts dude. Take your bull**** conspiracy elsewhere.

How was he better than Afro when he beat you? Not to mention what if Tweedy played for someone? We all know Tweedy was the best Ufc player ever. Maybe he’s behind all of this?

[ZHunter1990]

Re: no lecs this year?

Oh undeniably. Very good player, one of the top guys. Consistently had around a 8:1 ratio on UFC 2 if I remember correctly. I don’t remember exactly what his W/L ratio was; I know it was good, somewhere between 7:1 and 10:1.

Being said, I know it wasn’t 185-1 good, as his LEC record mysteriously shot to, immediately after creating a new account. Having been an extremely active player in the competitive UFC 2 scene, I can assure you that the only person on Xbox with the ability to accrue a record like that at the time was Kenetic (MexikkoDro came along a few months later).

Additionally, Z’s style on UFC 2 was entirely grappling based. His standup was good but he was a grappler, that was his style and that’s how he played UFC 2. His ducking single leg was very good, good fundamentals. Played him several times.

Just put it all together man. His record goes from 8:1 in ranked to 185:1 in LEC (where the players were more competitive) on the drop of a dime, all his stats drastically change overnight to perfectly mirror kenetic’s finishing rate and avg fight time, and he’s using a new account (probably didn’t want to share pw for the main). Just look at the fight he had in the LEC vs Afro. Does that look like someone who’s 185-1 with an 85% KO rate? He’s clearly a grappler and that fight shows it.

If you can look up IPs, perhaps thats the only way to get the “concrete” evidence you’re looking for (not sure if that would even work). If there was anyway to see if Z’s 185-1 acct was ever online at the same time as Kenetic NRG, that would be helpful as well (probably impossible).

But in my opinion, it’s clear as day. If you’re not part of the competitive scene, perhaps this sounds like another language to you. But I’ve been pretty involved in the competitive scene, especially at that time, and I stand by everything I’m saying.

Yes, I know Kenetic’s very skilled and knowledgeable. I actually learn a lot just watching his YouTube videos and I used to chat with him a lot. Cool guy. So I’m not out to get him at all. This isn’t “attacking” as you put it. Just want to share what I know, so perhaps it can be avoided/watched in future LECs.

I made 3 accounts, lol.
The more accounts you have near the top better your chances of winning.

Go back and look at the LEC leaderboard for that event. My ZackJitsu account was 185-1 and my ZHunter90 account was like 100-2. After going 100-2 I decided to hop onto my ZackJitsu account and accrue wins on there so that I had a fallback. Which was not against the rules.

The fact is, you are trying to throw out the countless hours of hard work I put into qualifying and its infuriating.

I talked to both BrandNewMac and Evil97 while on that LEC run on my ZackJitsu account. Go ask them for yourself. In that run, me and evil partied up and found that the power stacked guard was broken and there was no denial input for it. Which he later reported.

My stats also dont reflect Kenetics at all. My submissions are notoriously terrible I think I had like 10 submission wins. Almost all of my wins came from mount KO's or Thai clinch KO's. Kenetic has really good submissions.

My ranked record consisted of a TON of losses to Kenetic and Tweedy. Because I didnt block people in ranked like others did.

For what its worth I was also nervous as hell on stage and Afro was calmer. I won a league fight against him 4 weeks prior to the Live event as well.

I doubt that you are man enough to admit when youre wrong, so despite checking with people who actually talked with me on that run, you will continue with your conspiracy. And thats fine, but just know that nothing you have mentioned is fact.

Also pretty sure the devs DO look at IP addresses for LECs.

[ZHunter1990]

Re: no lecs this year?

How was he better than Afro when he beat you? Not to mention what if Tweedy played for someone? We all know Tweedy was the best Ufc player ever. Maybe he’s behind all of this?

Tweedy played for Afro on stage, had a fake beard on and all.

[Irishthug]

Re: no lecs this year?

Tweedy played for Afro on stage, had a fake beard on and all.

Glad you got that sarcasm! Any word on a money LEC this year? Maybe the July card? Would be the perfect time to do it. Bring eyes to the game and on the perfect fight card (without Mcgoat)