Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

[tcnumba10]

So I couldn’t resist the PS Store deal going on during this World Cup event and bought FIFA 18.

After playing a couple a matches this is what I immediately noticed between the two games:

The movement and physics seem to be more slippery with FIFA, players do not feel that they have weight and it doesn’t feel like they are running on grass compared to PES. It actually feels like the players in FIFA are ice skating or just sliding from point A to point B. I am not sure how I feel about this, I might have to get used to it but it really feels odd when I’m running around on the pitch, it doesn’t feel or look natural compared to PES.

Defending is overly complicated in FIFA, it seems I have to hold a button to contain the offensive player and that my player will then become a magnetic as he keeps in front of his player. I am not sure if I am defending correctly since all I am doing is holding down a face button instead of using my left stick when I’m moving my controller defender to keep in front of the dribbler. It just seems odd that I’m letting one button dictating the movement of the controller defender, it’s like it’s on auto pilot.

Presentation for FIFA is on another level compared to PES, I appreciate the various in-game replays and stats that adds extra immersion during gameplay. FIFA Pregame, post game cut scenes and commentary make PES look very basic although I do enjoy PES replays after goals with various angles as well.

Injuries and bookings are a welcoming sign with FIFA compared to PES, there were rarely any injuries occurring in PES unless there was a viscious tackle but even then it would happen maybe 1/20 times. After playing two seasons in PES, I’ve only seen 2 injuries while in my first match in FIFA I’ve seen 3.

Gameplay wise, FIFA seems to be back and forth. The ball is more detached and turnovers by teams are more frequent. In PES, the ball seems to stick more with the players and teams would have longer possessions with the ball. To compare, in PES you can keep the ball for 5 minutes at a time whereas in FIFA you may have the ball for a 1 minute before a turnover occurs. Personally I prefer FIFA in this aspect as the game is less predictable and there’s more back and forth rather having one team having the ball more for most of the game. The ball is more lively and unpredictable in FIFA imo.

If only FIFA was able to implement PES physics and player movements, that would be my ultimate game. It’s a shame we have to give and take between both games.

[GaloVingador]

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Agree with everything, except defending.

On PES, there's also a button that makes the player become a magnet if held. The difference is that it will make all the work for you, including the tackle itself. FIFA even has the option to make defending work as it does on PES, it's called "Legacy Defending", on the Controller Settings, but I despise it, as it makes everything much easier. On FIFA's default "Tactical Defending", when you hold that button, your player will only contain the opponent, then when you want to tackle you have to press the shot button (for standing tackle) or cross button (for sliding tackle). It takes time getting used to, but it's better. It makes the proccess of tackling more manual and the timing of tackles a factor to succeed.

About the "slippery" movement, I agree entirely, but this may be reduced to some extent with gameplay sliders (sprint speed) and switching the game speed to slow. It won't be perfect, but there's room for a lot of improvement over the default arcadey gameplay, I suggest you visit the sliders section of the forums.

[tcnumba10]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

Oh really? I didn’t notice the one button defending in PES, I usually manually get close to the dribbler with the left stick and tackle or hold L2 to keep in front but still using the left stick. In FIFA all I have to do is hold X and the defender will sprint or jog to be in front and then I hold circle to tackle but it just seems “auto-pilot” is multiplied by 10x on FIFA.

As for sliders, I actually used the OS cummunitu FIFA sliders for my first official match and that’s what I based my observations/comparison for my thread. Movement of players seem weightless in FIFA and it doesn’t feel/look like they are running on grass.

[GaloVingador]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

If you press X on PES, the defender will run to the ball automatically and try to take it. It was always like this on the series since the PS1 days, and it was like this in the last PES I played, which was 2017.

If you're used to only using the stick, you can do it on FIFA as well. Tackle with square or circle or whatever button you use to shoot. But expect to lose.

Well, for player movement, you can't get much better than the OS sliders without making the game feel sluggish. So it is what it is, sadly.

[tcnumba10]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

Oh that’s true, I guess when I played PES I used to just get close with the left stick before pressing X to tackle. I will try to get used to holding X to “contain” before either stand/slide tackling.

And yes, the only major gripe with FIFA compared to PES is the movement/weight and feel of players. If only they could mimic that part of the technology from PES into FIFA, it would be a complete game.

On a side note, what camera angle is the best? I am currently using Tele Broadcast but I am not sure which one is the best for gameplay.

[Chrisx]

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PES 2013 had the best defensive controls to date.

You could press a button to contain (tactical defending in fifa) and a second button to press (legacy defending) and I don't see a reason why we can't have something like this today. You might say it'll make defending too easy, but I'll say choosing when to use each one and the timing is what should matter, not the input method. As well as having AI that can take advantage of badly timed choices of course. Anyway, legacy defending can get pretty close as you can use a trigger to contain (but not automatically, you still have to use the left stick for positioning) and then use the button to press/go for the ball when you think it's the right time.

Also, a fair and accurate assessment of both games tcnumba10, I have to agree! Fifa can be pretty bad with on the ball controls and animations, they really need to sort it out, I will be highly disappointed if they don't in 19, as it will the third year on frostbite. But unfortunately Pes has regressed a lot in almost every other department (tactics, AI...).

[GaloVingador]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

If only they could mimic that part of the technology from PES into FIFA, it would be a complete game.

Hahaha, just wait. You'll find more annoyances on your way, the game is far, far from perfect. (I'm not saying it isn't good)

On a side note, what camera angle is the best? I am currently using Tele Broadcast but I am not sure which one is the best for gameplay.

Personal preference, obviously. But I like Tele Broadcast, much better than Default. Higher and zoomed out, it works even better. I used it a lot with 19 height and 1 zoom.

[tcnumba10]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

Hahaha, just wait. You'll find more annoyances on your way, the game is far, far from perfect. (I'm not saying it isn't good)


Personal preference, obviously. But I like Tele Broadcast, much better than Default. Higher and zoomed out, it works even better. I used it a lot with 19 height and 1 zoom.

Any suggestion for a cam that closely resembles PES? I find the Tele Broadcast on FIFA to be up high on an angle.

[GaloVingador]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

Any suggestion for a cam that closely resembles PES? I find the Tele Broadcast on FIFA to be up high on an angle.

Nah, I think Tele Broadcast is really the closest one. You can toy with the height setting of it until you get the angle to your taste.

[face2face]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

Nah, I think Tele Broadcast is really the closest one. You can toy with the height setting of it until you get the angle to your taste.

don't forget the angle changes depending on the stadium.

that being said, I also use Tele broadcast.

[KG]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

PES 2013 had the best defensive controls to date.

You could press a button to contain (tactical defending in fifa) and a second button to press (legacy defending) and I don't see a reason why we can't have something like this today. You might say it'll make defending too easy, but I'll say choosing when to use each one and the timing is what should matter, not the input method. As well as having AI that can take advantage of badly timed choices of course. Anyway, legacy defending can get pretty close as you can use a trigger to contain (but not automatically, you still have to use the left stick for positioning) and then use the button to press/go for the ball when you think it's the right time.

Also, a fair and accurate assessment of both games tcnumba10, I have to agree! Fifa can be pretty bad with on the ball controls and animations, they really need to sort it out, I will be highly disappointed if they don't in 19, as it will the third year on frostbite. But unfortunately Pes has regressed a lot in almost every other department (tactics, AI...).

I wish there was a setting in FIFA that would make your teammates attempt a tackle. At least in PES if you hold down the “call 2nd defender” button they will attempt to win the ball.




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[tcnumba10]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

I find that Tele Broadcast with Height at 20 and Zoom at 0 is the best camera settings to mimic what I am used to when playing PES.

It’s remarkable what a good camera view can do to a game, now it looks and feels a lot better.

[Saintslfc13]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

I wish there was a setting in FIFA that would make your teammates attempt a tackle. At least in PES if you hold down the “call 2nd defender” button they will attempt to win the ball.




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Wholeheartedly agree, it's the main flaw in Tactical defending for me. There isn't much more infuriating than your teammate "containing the player" and backing up towards goal only for you to switch to him to try to make the tackle and the delay resulting in you being out of position half the time. Just let them make a challenge. I do see how it can be spammed but ultimately I'm willing to live with that, it's not like they force you to use tactical defending so anyone who wishes to spam it would probably still switch to legacy themselves anyway.

[tcnumba10]

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Btw this might be a dumb question but I cannot find where it would tell me how many subs I have or have left when playing a match? I’m on the substitution screen but there’s nothing indicating how many subs I have left?

In PES it would say 3/3 if I have 3 subs remaining or 1/3 if I have 1 sub left.

[GaloVingador]

Re: Just bought FIFA coming from a PES player

Btw this might be a dumb question but I cannot find where it would tell me how many subs I have or have left when playing a match? I’m on the substitution screen but there’s nothing indicating how many subs I have left?

In PES it would say 3/3 if I have 3 subs remaining or 1/3 if I have 1 sub left.

Previous FIFAs had this information, now it looks like they took it out. EA has this history of making bad choices for their UI and removing basic features for no reason without warning.

You can use the match report (match facts tab) and check how many substitutions were made, but it makes no sense not having this information in the substitutions screen itself.