One missed transition or strike is devastating. I've played too many matches utterly dominating someone standing and take 1 single clinch elbow and get rocked. One transition block and your stamina is shot. Am I missing something here?
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Re: Why is the clinch a death sentence?
I don't know if the devs will ever address it. But yeah, this is a issue to most.
Knees or elbows in Muay Thai Clinch cause clinch breaks from 1 hit, but punches don't do anything after several.
It should be around ~2-3 for knees & elbows and ~3-4 punches in MT. ~3-4 for elbows & knees and ~4-5 punches in single collar, imo. -
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The clinch striking is not balanced at all or close to realistic at all. The striking shouldn't be any less balanced than basic stand up. There should not be this incentive or even thought that spamming clinch can give you an edge if you are losing the stand up game unless you're Killa Bee Saunders or Overeem maybe. People spam it just because it's such a great equalizer if they can't do enough damage in stand up. It's so lopsided and makes no sense to me, it's sooo irritating to see people use it just to try and get that one elbow or knee that can kill you.Comment
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Re: Why is the clinch a death sentence?
The knee's and elbows cause a rock but they aren't really fight ending. If the knee's and elbows didnt rock you and break you out of the clinch, they'd be even more powerful because more elbows and knee's would land to cause a critical KD or KO.Half of this game is 90% mental - Tim Sylvia
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Re: Why is the clinch a death sentence?
Enough of them will end a fight. It’s a very cheap way of getting an easy rock. VERY CHEAP.
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Re: Why is the clinch a death sentence?
They definitely can end a fight. That isn't really the issue, the issue is how how low-risk high-reward it is. Just one clean hit for a knee or elbow causes a health event/clinch break. You get caught by that 3-4x and the fight is finished.
Knees and elbows should 'rock/stun/wobble' you, most here will agreee. What most are asking for is having it take more shots to stun you from MT knees or elbows instead of just 1 hit.
Should be imo ~2-3 clean knees or elbows and ~3-4 punches in MT to break the clinch. ~4-5 knees or elbows and ~5-6 punches in single collar.
That is a reasonable and realistic request.
Clinch punches should be even harder to cause clinch breaks/stuns but they should be possible as they are irl. It has important functions that's missing from the game like punching out of the clinch:
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Re: Why is the clinch a death sentence?
Just checked, the elbow does around 15% short term damage and the knee does around 20% short term damage and both give light rocks.
Lets say the first elbow or knee didnt break the clinch with a rock. You'd have to eat 3 to get rocked. Youre in a much worse position with either really low head health while rocked, or you get critically KD'd.
The light rock and clinch break after one strike actually saves you.
I have not had a single match where I have lost due to clinch rocks or even had the tides turn due to clinch rocks besides the body knee, which generally takes more than one to rock you.Half of this game is 90% mental - Tim Sylvia
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Re: Why is the clinch a death sentence?
You could balance it by having the strikes in the clinch do less damage overall. So the damage threshold for a rock could be the same- just the number of hits it takes to reach that point would differ.
Since it seems you are arguing for the one hit clinch breaks for knees and elbows, what is the issue in having punches break the clinch? The arguments you are giving now sound similar to the arguments that were presented against head movement stamina tax.Comment
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Re: Why is the clinch a death sentence?
I wish it just did the damage and broke you out of the clinch instead of a insta light rock though. It's kind of a cheap way of getting a quick health event.Comment
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Not saying the clinch is balanced but it’s also SUPER easy to deny....precision beats power and timing beats speed... and realism beats meta.Comment
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The real issue for me is how easy it is to stun someone in the clinch. If the damage parameters were adjusted I think the health events could feel more variable like it is in the stand up.
The clinch is easy to deny too, there is no real purpose to the single collar really other than being a mid transition position between MT and over/under. It is inherently a defensive and offensive position irl, but not in this game.
Not every clean hit should causes a health event in the clinch imo.
I think breaking out of the clinch with strikes is a good mechanic that is should be broadened to include punches. It could feel more dynamic if the health events from the clinch break were more variable and dependent on cumulative damage like in the stand up.
One elbow or knee to the head in MT causes your chin to deplete into health event. If that were adjusted the strikes to build up like it is for knees to the body, it would feel more earned like in the stand up.Comment
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Half of this game is 90% mental - Tim Sylvia
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Re: Why is the clinch a death sentence?
I don't want the Thai clinch nerfed.. I don't know where you got that from. The clinch should be better- more realistic. I want the clinch to be more dynamic. I don't know how you got me wanting to nerf the Thai clinch out of this.
How is adding punch clinch breaks nerfing the Thai clinch? If anything it makes it more efficient.
Maybe you thought I want the Thai clinch nerfed because I don't want one hit health events from Thai clinch knees and elbows to the head every single time?
I am not against one hit health events absolutely, I just think there should be more variety. If you could still land one hit health events but it be harder and not the norm it would be better imo.
It would be more balanced and realistic at the same time.
There are examples of one hit elbow KOs from the Thai clinch against the cage but we can't do that either. I am looking for more consistency.
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Re: Why is the clinch a death sentence?
If damage was nerfed for elbows and knee's in the clinch, it would be kind of useless.I don't want the Thai clinch nerfed.. I don't know where you got that from. The clinch should be better- more realistic. I want the clinch to be more dynamic. I don't know how you got me wanting to nerf the Thai clinch out of this.
How is adding punch clinch breaks nerfing the Thai clinch? If anything it makes it more efficient.
Maybe you thought I want the Thai clinch nerfed because I don't want one hit health events from Thai clinch knees and elbows to the head every single time?
I am not against one hit health events absolutely, I just think there should be more variety. If you could still land one hit health events but it be harder and not the norm it would be better imo.
It would be more balanced and realistic at the same time.
There are examples of one hit elbow KOs from the Thai clinch against the cage but we can't do that either. I am looking for more consistency.
- It isnt hard to reactively block strikes from the clinch
- Its really easy to deny the transition to Thai
- Its easy to transition out of the plum
- Its easy to deny clinch attempts.
IMO, if you happen to do all these wrong, the punishment is fairHalf of this game is 90% mental - Tim Sylvia
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Re: Why is the clinch a death sentence?
That's the point you keep leaving out.
I am not saying to only 'nerf' the damage of elbows and knees in the Thai clinch.. I am saying to include clinch breaks from punches as well.
The clinch should be breakable by punches, elbows, and knees in the Thai clinch or single collar, just like in real life.
If anything that's a net buff- but I think it's counter balance.Comment
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