Free Agency is Total Cheese

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

I entered into Free Agency in the 2nd season with Marlins. I need a 2B. Anthony Rendon and Jonathan Schoop are available.

I offer Schoop 4 years 55.15m

Sim 3 days, checking each day to see if a bid pops up, checked the 3rd day, still no bid, sim one more, day and BAM Schoop accepts a 5 year deal with the Orioles. WHAT??? What the hell?

Okay no biggie, Schoop had a bad season last year. Let's get Rendon.

4 years 54m.

3 days again, checking each day, still nothing on the 3rd day. oop, 4th day, Nats are outbidding me by 2m. No biggie, up him to 58m and add a player option.

Sim one more day

BAM. 5 years 70m with the Rangers.

I gave up at that point. That is just bs. I mean, I thought Madden's free agency was bad because no decent players hardly ever entered into FA, but this is just bad. There are plenty of decent players but the way you bid for them gives you no chance to enter into a bidding war.

[MightyMaxxx13]

Re: Free Agency is Total Cheese

Rough but not unrealistic. Do you want a system where the highest bid automatically wins?

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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Rough but not unrealistic. Do you want a system where the highest bid automatically wins?

I'd rather them have a system where there are actual negotiations and bidding wars.

[KBLover]

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Rough but not unrealistic. Do you want a system where the highest bid automatically wins?

It would help if there was some rhyme or reason to it - did they gave a better option, more years but less total value (the years won the day), better prospect for starting/impact or better promised role, etc.

It just seems very random.

Plus, players rarely wait or ask for a counter. Like in OOTP, if my offer isn't favored any more or wasn't good enough, more often than not, the player will tell me and I at least have the chance to try to match/beat the offer before he decides. Of course, there's the chance I just aggravate him too much or otherwise cause talks to break off.

In The Show - often times the player will run off to one of the other teams without even countering or trying to start a bidding war, especially a top talent that's likely in high demand. I could see an average/fringe guy doing it or if the player just gets blown away by an offer that's like way more than they expected - jump on that before it's withdrawn.

It's also hard to figure out why you lost. What did the player prefer?

[TheGr8Drake28]

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Seems like you got out classed by the CPU. Dayum.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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It would help if there was some rhyme or reason to it - did they gave a better option, more years but less total value (the years won the day), better prospect for starting/impact or better promised role, etc.

It just seems very random.

Plus, players rarely wait or ask for a counter. Like in OOTP, if my offer isn't favored any more or wasn't good enough, more often than not, the player will tell me and I at least have the chance to try to match/beat the offer before he decides. Of course, there's the chance I just aggravate him too much or otherwise cause talks to break off.

In The Show - often times the player will run off to one of the other teams without even countering or trying to start a bidding war, especially a top talent that's likely in high demand. I could see an average/fringe guy doing it or if the player just gets blown away by an offer that's like way more than they expected - jump on that before it's withdrawn.

It's also hard to figure out why you lost. What did the player prefer?

My sentiments exactly.

They don't negotiate or even let teams counter-offer sometimes. It just seems really cheesy. I mean, they don't even wait a single day or hour? Come on man.

If they're going to do it this way, there should be notifications when a player is expected to sign with another team soon so you have a chance at a last second offer to reopen negotiations.

[AUTiger1]

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My sentiments exactly.

They don't negotiate or even let teams counter-offer sometimes. It just seems really cheesy. I mean, they don't even wait a single day or hour? Come on man.

If they're going to do it this way, there should be notifications when a player is expected to sign with another team soon so you have a chance at a last second offer to reopen negotiations.

You mentioned the FA system in Madden, I haven't played Madden since 16 so I don't know if it's the same way or not, but I believe that is a good system as far as letting you know where you stand in trying to sign guys. In The Show it's a total guessing game if you're gonna land a guy or not.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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You mentioned the FA system in Madden, I haven't played Madden since 16 so I don't know if it's the same way or not, but I believe that is a good system as far as letting you know where you stand in trying to sign guys. In The Show it's a total guessing game if you're gonna land a guy or not.

With Madden the system is good aside from the fact that most players just go to the highest bidder but coaching and schemes play a role too. The issue with Madden is that re-signing players happens way too often and most of the time your top free agency players will be guys near retirement or scrubs. Never any good players.

With The Show, it's just
BAM he signs
BAM he signs there
BAM he signed with these guys over you

There's just no negotiating at all.

Schoop batted .213 with a .668 OPS the previous season. I'm not paying 16m a year for that. That's why I started him off with a small offer, to see if anyone else was gonna bid for him. But there is no bidding process if a team, in one day, can offer a contract and have him immediately sign. It's just a really flawed system.

Even in my Phillies franchise where I had a Pre-Offseason save so I screwed around and offered Bryce Harper 28m a year, it even took him 3 days to sign after the offer was placed and no other bidders offered.

It's such a lousy system.

[AUTiger1]

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With Madden the system is good aside from the fact that most players just go to the highest bidder but coaching and schemes play a role too. The issue with Madden is that re-signing players happens way too often and most of the time your top free agency players will be guys near retirement or scrubs. Never any good players.

With The Show, it's just
BAM he signs
BAM he signs there
BAM he signed with these guys over you

There's just no negotiating at all.

Schoop batted .213 with a .668 OPS the previous season. I'm not paying 16m a year for that. That's why I started him off with a small offer, to see if anyone else was gonna bid for him. But there is no bidding process if a team, in one day, can offer a contract and have him immediately sign. It's just a really flawed system.

Even in my Phillies franchise where I had a Pre-Offseason save so I screwed around and offered Bryce Harper 28m a year, it even took him 3 days to sign after the offer was placed and no other bidders offered.

It's such a lousy system.

Franchise mode in general needs a major overhaul. The budget system is beyond confusing and the free agent system has no strategy to it.

[Caulfield]

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if Schoop or Rendon signs with Miami as a FA (IRL), I'll eat my hat. thats all, carry on.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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if Schoop or Rendon signs with Miami as a FA (IRL), I'll eat my hat. thats all, carry on.

I did manage to get Rendon xD

But irl, I doubt anybody is gonna sign with the Marlins, or the Orioles.

[JoCo217]

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This scenario actually seems in line with how some signings take place. A good player gets a solid offer, but maybe doesn't like the city, manager, what division its in, the sock colors, whatever; so his agent goes to another team and says the player is ready to sign with X, so if you want him, this is what it will take. Then BAM! Rendon signs with Texas to be in the AL, have warm weather in the winter, or so he doesn't have to pay state taxes, whatever. If a player doesn't really want to play for a team that gave him a good offer, he's not going to tell them, "Thanks but I hate you" because he doesn't know what options he has.

Think about other industries: A guy interviews for a job, crushes it. The company offers him what he's asking for or maybe a little more because he's such a great fit. Dude says he'll think about it, then next thing they know he sends an email saying he accepted this other job. Did they offer more money? Did he like the other company better? Was the location better, or maybe the hours? The first company probably won't ever know.

[KCowse]

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This scenario actually seems in line with how some signings take place. A good player gets a solid offer, but maybe doesn't like the city, manager, what division its in, the sock colors, whatever; so his agent goes to another team and says the player is ready to sign with X, so if you want him, this is what it will take. Then BAM! Rendon signs with Texas to be in the AL, have warm weather in the winter, or so he doesn't have to pay state taxes, whatever. If a player doesn't really want to play for a team that gave him a good offer, he's not going to tell them, "Thanks but I hate you" because he doesn't know what options he has.

Think about other industries: A guy interviews for a job, crushes it. The company offers him what he's asking for or maybe a little more because he's such a great fit. Dude says he'll think about it, then next thing they know he sends an email saying he accepted this other job. Did they offer more money? Did he like the other company better? Was the location better, or maybe the hours? The first company probably won't ever know.

That’s a good point. The problem is that there is no alternative to this situation in The Show. No situation where the player doesn’t have a random hatred of a team and uses the offers to negotiate with both. Someone else brought up OOTP which does a great job by having the player message you saying that another team has made a better offer, and giving you his new demand. This allows for actual negotiations instead of guys basically just disappearing off of the market.

[TheWarmWind]

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You actually do learn the system a little bit. If a player doesn't accept after two days, they are usually waiting for a better offer. Ignore the interest bar, the only information it accurately depicts is who is currently in the lead. If you really want that player, is usually a good idea to make another, better offer at the two day mark. Even if they don't accept, it usually prevents them from immediately accepting the next offer on the table. BTW, you can use this to your advantage as well, making an offer after the second day of consideration on a player you haven't made an offer on yet can be a quick way to snap them up.

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[KBLover]

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Think about other industries: A guy interviews for a job, crushes it. The company offers him what he's asking for or maybe a little more because he's such a great fit. Dude says he'll think about it, then next thing they know he sends an email saying he accepted this other job. Did they offer more money? Did he like the other company better? Was the location better, or maybe the hours? The first company probably won't ever know.

True, but the problem with The Show is it's uniform. This is how ALL players act. No differentiation and if there's other parameters, players (or their agents, rather) probably would mention them.

I've heard players say they like the management or they wanted to jump at playing for the Yankees, wanted a contender, etc.

Just like Ohtani went to the Angels partly because they weren't like the Yankees (i.e. no large market, etc). It wasn't some state secret what Ohtani liked or didn't like.