Hope FIFA 19' Has Stepped Up Its Gameplay From Last Year...

[DieMannschaft4WC]

Because PES 19's Demo is out, and it is good. REALLY good. Gameplay feel is excellent- just as smooth, slow, and sophisticated as PES 18', but defending feels better with more individualism. I hope FIFA 19's gameplay is substantially similar to PES 19's gameplay, and if so, then in my opinion FIFA 19' is going to significantly separate itself from PES than what we have seen in recent years.

In my opinion, FIFA's gameplay feel has lagged more and more behind PES over the last few years, resting on its licenses laurels. Yes, the stadiums, kits, and commentary are far better in FIFA than PES. Yes, the Frostbite engine helped some last year, but there is still a lot of work be done. And yes, having both the Champions and Europa Leagues is a hell of a snag by FIFA away from PES. But FIFA 18's gameplay still felt far too rigid with players behaving more like squirrels on steroids than natural footballers building up a well-calculated attack from box to box.

Despite all of PES' shortcomings in stadiums, kits (and there have been great files to upload authentic kits/names into PES), and commentary last year, it was nice to just play a naturally great game of football and not have to tweak sliders here and there, week after week, trying to get a game feel like the real deal, like we have to do every year with FIFA. And PES offers far more with international play/tournaments because it has about 30-35 more countries than FIFA.

I'm cautiously optimistic about what I have seen and read this year with FIFA 19' though, especially when it comes to tactics, through balls, and 50-50 battles. Hopefully career mode has a little more to it. Think we'll have an overall better product- the question is how much better?

Thoughts...?

[evgesha]

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Because PES 19's Demo is out, and it is good. REALLY good. Gameplay feel is excellent- just as smooth, slow, and sophisticated as PES 18', but defending feels better with more individualism. I hope FIFA 19's gameplay is substantially similar to PES 19's gameplay, and if so, then in my opinion FIFA 19' is going to significantly separate itself from PES than what we have seen in recent years.

In my opinion, FIFA's gameplay feel has lagged more and more behind PES over the last few years, resting on its licenses laurels. Yes, the stadiums, kits, and commentary are far better in FIFA than PES. Yes, the Frostbite engine helped some last year, but there is still a lot of work be done. And yes, having both the Champions and Europa Leagues is a hell of a snag by FIFA away from PES. But FIFA 18's gameplay still felt far too rigid with players behaving more like squirrels on steroids than natural footballers building up a well-calculated attack from box to box.

Despite all of PES' shortcomings in stadiums, kits (and there have been great files to upload authentic kits/names into PES), and commentary last year, it was nice to just play a naturally great game of football and not have to tweak sliders here and there, week after week, trying to get a game feel like the real deal, like we have to do every year with FIFA. And PES offers far more with international play/tournaments because it has about 30-35 more countries than FIFA.

I'm cautiously optimistic about what I have seen and read this year with FIFA 19' though, especially when it comes to tactics, through balls, and 50-50 battles. Hopefully career mode has a little more to it. Think we'll have an overall better product- the question is how much better?

Thoughts...?

gameplay will be same.

[PhillyPhanatic14]

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Gameplay is arguably much worse this year. Lots of issues in the game as far as gameplay right now. Hopefully it's much different at launch.

[stevostl]

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Gameplay is arguably much worse this year. Lots of issues in the game as far as gameplay right now. Hopefully it's much different at launch.

I'm curious in to what you think is much worst? I played the FIFA 19 beta and thought it was better actually than FIFA 18 with my first impressions in how it felt. I also felt that the pace and flow of the FIFA 19 beta was probably the best for a fifa demo in the last 5 years or so which was a good sign to me. I mean it's not overall that much difference to me though in terms of gameplay... and i do think there is a bigger difference in gameplay upgrade from PES18 to PES19 beta. I played less than 10 matches on fifa demo though when compared to like 30 on PES

[ImmortalMindz]

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I'm curious in to what you think is much worst? I played the FIFA 19 beta and thought it was better actually than FIFA 18 with my first impressions in how it felt. I also felt that the pace and flow of the FIFA 19 beta was probably the best for a fifa demo in the last 5 years or so which was a good sign to me. I mean it's not overall that much difference to me though in terms of gameplay... and i do think there is a bigger difference in gameplay upgrade from PES18 to PES19 beta. I played less than 10 matches on fifa demo though when compared to like 30 on PES

^^This. I've been banging out match after match with the beta and I'm enjoying it, definitely way more than 18. Lots will depend on how it shapes up before release but single player is looking especially great this year.

[andanesean]

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It's uplifting to hear more beta tests review here, said to myself that I had zero expectations, I think I just revaluate with reason, but that indicates good for FIFA 19. And the eternal Pes vs Fifa is just as much emotion as understandings and it is rare a wise approach to ratings.

[PhillyPhanatic14]

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I'm curious in to what you think is much worst? I played the FIFA 19 beta and thought it was better actually than FIFA 18 with my first impressions in how it felt. I also felt that the pace and flow of the FIFA 19 beta was probably the best for a fifa demo in the last 5 years or so which was a good sign to me. I mean it's not overall that much difference to me though in terms of gameplay... and i do think there is a bigger difference in gameplay upgrade from PES18 to PES19 beta. I played less than 10 matches on fifa demo though when compared to like 30 on PES

One of the biggest issues in 19 is that the area that players take up is bigger... it's a weird thing to explain without showing it, but basically where a ball would roll past a dude who couldn't reach it in 18 now in 19 they magically get there. This results in a crazy overload of interceptions and destroys the flow of the game. Lob are horribly inaccurate. Towards the end of the beta it got to where shooting was completely off. Their new super shot thing (whatever it's called) is a joke. Half the time i got it perfect the shots went off the bar or straight to the middle of the goal right to the keeper. There's a ton of issues with the game and the gameplay feels crazy choppy now because players take up more space than they should, which is a shame because fifa has historically been very good at allowing a ball to go through a tight space if it does not actually touch someone, but not this year. I could go on and on, but i was very disappointed with the gameplay this year, especially any time you're playing against another person like in FUT or local 1 v 1

[Chrisx]

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One of the biggest issues in 19 is that the area that players take up is bigger... it's a weird thing to explain without showing it, but basically where a ball would roll past a dude who couldn't reach it in 18 now in 19 they magically get there.

Don't want to completely dismiss your opinion, because I have not played the beta, and I know that when EA decide to do thing "A" they can sometimes overdo it, out of fear that people will not notice. BUT, what you're saying is actually selling 19 to me, because one of my complaints with 18 was that the game made passes and shots magically happen (often with comical animations too).

Typical forward driven pass in fifa 18 for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYFFOiP6jy0

The pass is not even on. There are 2 players that could block it. The defender magically jumps to avoid blocking the pass even though he has his back turned, and the opponent (who actually has a perfect view), doesn't even stick a foot out. Riiiiight. This is not "good flow", it's simplistic connect the dots passing, no one will stop you. More interceptions will make me think about passes now, there should be a bigger gameplay variety and when you string together lots of them it may actually feel satisfying.

Like I said though, I haven't played the beta, so I would still like to see what it is that you don't like.

[coach422001]

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One of the biggest issues in 19 is that the area that players take up is bigger... it's a weird thing to explain without showing it, but basically where a ball would roll past a dude who couldn't reach it in 18 now in 19 they magically get there. This results in a crazy overload of interceptions and destroys the flow of the game. Lob are horribly inaccurate. Towards the end of the beta it got to where shooting was completely off. Their new super shot thing (whatever it's called) is a joke. Half the time i got it perfect the shots went off the bar or straight to the middle of the goal right to the keeper. There's a ton of issues with the game and the gameplay feels crazy choppy now because players take up more space than they should, which is a shame because fifa has historically been very good at allowing a ball to go through a tight space if it does not actually touch someone, but not this year. I could go on and on, but i was very disappointed with the gameplay this year, especially any time you're playing against another person like in FUT or local 1 v 1

Interesting. It sounds (maybe I'm wrong) that you're mainly looking at the effects on play playing another person. A big gripe i have had is that there isn't enough interceptions on passes by the CPU and/or the CPU historically makes players like Mamadou Sakho pass like Luka Mordric. I'd like to see more of that choppy feel you're describing when I play solo where passes in tight spaces do not always come off and incomplete passes are not just the CPU occasionally playing the ball out of bounds for no good reason. Of course, with our luck they'll tune it so that neither the head to head or the solo player ends up happy but we'll see how it comes out after the beta feedback.

[ImmortalMindz]

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One of the biggest issues in 19 is that the area that players take up is bigger... it's a weird thing to explain without showing it, but basically where a ball would roll past a dude who couldn't reach it in 18 now in 19 they magically get there. This results in a crazy overload of interceptions and destroys the flow of the game. Lob are horribly inaccurate. Towards the end of the beta it got to where shooting was completely off. Their new super shot thing (whatever it's called) is a joke. Half the time i got it perfect the shots went off the bar or straight to the middle of the goal right to the keeper. There's a ton of issues with the game and the gameplay feels crazy choppy now because players take up more space than they should, which is a shame because fifa has historically been very good at allowing a ball to go through a tight space if it does not actually touch someone, but not this year. I could go on and on, but i was very disappointed with the gameplay this year, especially any time you're playing against another person like in FUT or local 1 v 1

Can't say that I agree with this. There are far more interceptions, and AI defenders are much more active to be sure, but I've yet to see a single thing from defenders that was unrealistic and not the behavior of a proper defender. Can't say I've seen any magic happening on the pitch.

The pace of play is certainly more choppy than in the past, with far more frequent turnovers. Much of this is simply down to people not adjusting their playstyles - you no longer can be careless with your decisions and have to put thought into each pass. It's been a struggle to adjust and I've certainly payed the cost for attempting passes - especially first time passes - out of habit because they'd work in prior FIFAs.

But I'm not seeing anything that's not realistic. In fact, play single player and you'll still find too often the CPU finishing with 90% pass accuracy. If you're careful with the ball and put more thought into each pass, you can still come away with high pass acc stats and a slick passing game.

I will say I fully expect the passing game to be more polished and a bit easier with the full release because there are some issues. It is a beta after all and it's clear some things aren't working quite right. For one, in the beta passes more often than ever before will go to the wrong player, and I think that's certainly contributed to peoples' frustrations. I'm sure that'll get fixed.

And with all the complaints surrounding how attacking play is more difficult, it'd be foolish with EA's track record not to expect that they'll make it easier with the full release.

Don't really see the issues with lob passes being inaccurate. If anything, I'd say long lob passes are way too accurate. And the new timed finishing mechanic is not suppose to equal a goal every time, so don't really understand the complaint about hitting the post or the goalie. Personally, I'm pleased with the way the timed finishing feature has been implemented. The problem is that regular shooting - at least long shots - are so good, there's really not much reason to bother with the new mechanic. Plus, FIFA plays at such a quick pace, it's often tough finding the time and space to use it.

Definitely not saying the beta is perfect. Tackles still often result with the ball going back to the dribbler, and it's simply inexcusable that this hasn't been fixed for 19. There's more to critique and I'm sure we'll have our beefs with the full release, but like Chrisx said, I'm actually encouraged that attacking play is tougher because in the past there were too many exploits and defenders did not behave and react as they should.

[PhillyPhanatic14]

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Don't want to completely dismiss your opinion, because I have not played the beta, and I know that when EA decide to do thing "A" they can sometimes overdo it, out of fear that people will not notice. BUT, what you're saying is actually selling 19 to me, because one of my complaints with 18 was that the game made passes and shots magically happen (often with comical animations too).

Typical forward driven pass in fifa 18 for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYFFOiP6jy0

The pass is not even on. There are 2 players that could block it. The defender magically jumps to avoid blocking the pass even though he has his back turned, and the opponent (who actually has a perfect view), doesn't even stick a foot out. Riiiiight. This is not "good flow", it's simplistic connect the dots passing, no one will stop you. More interceptions will make me think about passes now, there should be a bigger gameplay variety and when you string together lots of them it may actually feel satisfying.

Like I said though, I haven't played the beta, so I would still like to see what it is that you don't like.

lol well once you play the game you'll see what i'm talking about and you won't be excited about this anymore.

[KG]

Re: Hope FIFA 19' Has Stepped Up Its Gameplay From Last Year...

One of the biggest issues in 19 is that the area that players take up is bigger... it's a weird thing to explain without showing it, but basically where a ball would roll past a dude who couldn't reach it in 18 now in 19 they magically get there. This results in a crazy overload of interceptions and destroys the flow of the game. Lob are horribly inaccurate. Towards the end of the beta it got to where shooting was completely off. Their new super shot thing (whatever it's called) is a joke. Half the time i got it perfect the shots went off the bar or straight to the middle of the goal right to the keeper. There's a ton of issues with the game and the gameplay feels crazy choppy now because players take up more space than they should, which is a shame because fifa has historically been very good at allowing a ball to go through a tight space if it does not actually touch someone, but not this year. I could go on and on, but i was very disappointed with the gameplay this year, especially any time you're playing against another person like in FUT or local 1 v 1

This actually makes me more excited.



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[PhillyPhanatic14]

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This actually makes me more excited.



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You're more excited now because balls that should go past people get touched by psychic defenders that move unnaturally and don't actually make contact with the ball? Ok....

[TripleJay_X]

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lobs were way too accurate in fifa 18, the best method to play offensive ball was too lob...lob and lob. defenders ran towards you and as soon he reached a close distance you simply lobbed it to your player infront of you who was then most likley completley free. in legenderay it was bit harder, but still a good method, simply for the reason being way too accurate.

and one thing i know for sure, the gameplay changed from demo, and release-game and 1. patch and 2nd patch. the demo was smooth slow and then all those 'fut'ler' thought it was for their liking a bit too slow


and what i never understood, there are sliders for passing-accuracy, shot-accuracy but everything is restricted to low-pass only, or regular shots only. lobs,crosses,volleys can't be 'slided' for some odd reason?!

[KG]

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You're more excited now because balls that should go past people get touched by psychic defenders that move unnaturally and don't actually make contact with the ball? Ok....

I probably should have expanded upon my comment but:

I like that lobbed passes are difficult- that’s a difficult pass to pull off IRL, it takes timing on both ends (passer/runner). The completion % should be on the low end IMO.

I like the idea of better spatial/ball awareness. As a manual passer I like being able to pass into space to avoid defenders BUT I haven’t played the beta so how it’s implemented could be totally what you’re seeing.

Personally, I prefer PES’ locomotion in terms of how players move with respect to weight, inertia, momentum, etc... FIFA definitely sacrifices realism at times for the sake of being “smooth” and responsive. So if they’re acting unnaturally to artificially get a result than yeah, I’m not cool with that.

I guess I’ll see when the demo drops.


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