The Dilemma of "accurate" heights

[ojandpizza]

So does anybody else see this "accurate" height thing basically ruining player scaling? Not a single NBA player plays barefoot.. Supposedly the game is already scaled accurately so a 6'6 player is 6'6 on the floor WITH his shoes on... I already see so many people making a huge deal over this all over the internet, and I can already picture 2K and roster makers going in and changing all these heights thus jacking up how the players are actually supposed to look on the court...

I could understand making someone taller, KD has already been changed to 6'10 on the Nets page though no "exact" measurement that I've seen yet.. So bumping him from 6'9 to say 6'11 in the game would make sense.. But going in and making everyone shorter just seems like it would throw things out of whack IMO..

[BaselineBakes]

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Gotta think if they do even go in a change it, from the camera perspectives that the game is played on (tilted down) any difference in 1-2 inches of height would be barely noticeable.


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[ojandpizza]

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Gotta think if they do even go in a change it, from the camera perspectives that the game is played on (tilted down) any difference in 1-2 inches of height would be barely noticeable.


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But changing the height of players also effects reach, which could also effect shot blocking, tipped passes, not getting blocked, etc.. It's not necessarily just how they look. And players have had in-shoe measurements for YEARS.. So in the instance of All-Time teams, or even playing current team vs a classic team it's going to cause inaccuracies there as well.

[BaselineBakes]

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But changing the height of players also effects reach, which could also effect shot blocking, tipped passes, not getting blocked, etc

I always thought all of that stuff was tied to ratings but I guess it could mess with that?

Also for it to effect all of those things you’d think it would you’d also have to assume that 2k has accurate wingspans for all of the players anyway (they definitely don’t).


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[ksuttonjr76]

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So does anybody else see this "accurate" height thing basically ruining player scaling? Not a single NBA player plays barefoot.. Supposedly the game is already scaled accurately so a 6'6 player is 6'6 on the floor WITH his shoes on... I already see so many people making a huge deal over this all over the internet, and I can already picture 2K and roster makers going in and changing all these heights thus jacking up how the players are actually supposed to look on the court...

I could understand making someone taller, KD has already been changed to 6'10 on the Nets page though no "exact" measurement that I've seen yet.. So bumping him from 6'9 to say 6'11 in the game would make sense.. But going in and making everyone shorter just seems like it would throw things out of whack IMO..

They would change them to accurate heights. It's not a global increase/decrease of the heights.

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[taildog]

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Don’t forget about draft classes...

[ojandpizza]

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They would change them to accurate heights. It's not a global increase/decrease of the heights.

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My point was they won't be "accurate" heights because 2K is scaled in a way that it's the players size on the court.. All of which are wearing shoes. When you edit a player his height is changing up or down while he's wearing shoes.

You can't have MJ for example 6'6 and change Draymond to 6'5 or whatever he's going to measure when he's closer to 6'7 standing next to MJ on a basketball court. That's more so my point.

[BaselineBakes]

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You can't have MJ for example 6'6 and change Draymond to 6'5 or whatever he's going to measure when he's closer to 6'7 standing next to MJ on a basketball court. That's more so my point.

I can see that being an issue for sure. That’s a good point.





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[lossanthon]

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I’m all for them getting the right heights. More than tired of the 6’6 Kevin Durant eyesore. What’s even more frustrating is that NBA Live had him listed at 6’9 too, but they clearly made him taller in their game.


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[ksuttonjr76]

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My point was they won't be "accurate" heights because 2K is scaled in a way that it's the players size on the court.. All of which are wearing shoes. When you edit a player his height is changing up or down while he's wearing shoes.

You can't have MJ for example 6'6 and change Draymond to 6'5 or whatever he's going to measure when he's closer to 6'7 standing next to MJ on a basketball court. That's more so my point.

Ummmmm...that's irrelevant. If Draymond is 6'5" then he needs to be adjusted. It's going to be an uniformed measuring for the current players by the NBA. The "discrepancy" that you speak of is more for the legendary players who can't be re-meaured and adjusted accordingly.

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[ojandpizza]

The Dilemma of "accurate" heights

Ummmmm...that's irrelevant. If Draymond is 6'5" then he needs to be adjusted. It's going to be an uniformed measuring for the current players by the NBA. The "discrepancy" that you speak of is more for the legendary players who can't be re-meaured and adjusted accordingly.

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I think you, and couple others, are maybe missing what I’m saying though..

It’s not irrelevant because 6’5 is 2K is not actually 6’5 because in the scaling of 2K every player has on shoes.. If a player is 6’5 in 2K he’s more like a 6’3 barefoot measured guy in real life. 2K doesn’t take a 6’5 guy and scale him to be an inch or two taller on the floor because he has shoes on the way the player actually is in real life, and the way he would be compared to someone who may have been previously measured in shoes.. in a game that does include past and current player this is an issue, whether you consider it a large one or not, it can be for those who want that type of accuracy.

Players have been measured in shoes as far back as 50 or so years now.. some heights are accurate, some are off a bit. For guys who get taller, like KD, this is fine because that adjustment is going to scale him on the floor more naturally than what he was before. That’s what we want...for guys who get shorter however, the “accurate” height is actually not accurate at all.

I understand your point is that going forward this will be a “uniformed measuring for current NBA players”, but 2K is not built that way. It’s player scaling is not designed that way.. I’m talking specifically about a video game in this instance, because we all want the game to look and feel as real as possible.. I’m not taking about the accuracy of barefoot height that shows up in a teams player program.

Hypothetically, if 2K goes in and changes the height of every player to their newly listed barefoot height, but fails to input a scaling method to account for their shoes on the court, then we would realistically need to go back and add an inch or two to everyone’s newly listed height to make it accurate in the game on the floor. Especially those who mix current/old players.


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[jk31]

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I think you, and couple others, are maybe missing what I’m saying though..

It’s not irrelevant because 6’5 is 2K is not actually 6’5 because in the scaling of 2K every player has on shoes.. If a player is 6’5 in 2K he’s more like a 6’3 barefoot measured guy in real life. 2K doesn’t take a 6’5 guy and scale him to be an inch or two taller on the floor because he has shoes on the way the player actually is in real life, and the way he would be compared to someone who may have been previously measured in shoes.. in a game that does include past and current player this is an issue, whether you consider it a large one or not, it can be for those who want that type of accuracy.

Players have been measured in shoes as far back as 50 or so years now.. some heights are accurate, some are off a bit. For guys who get taller, like KD, this is fine because that adjustment is going to scale him on the floor more naturally than what he was before. That’s what we want...for guys who get shorter however, the “accurate” height is actually not accurate at all.

I understand your point is that going forward this will be a “uniformed measuring for current NBA players”, but 2K is not built that way. It’s player scaling is not designed that way.. I’m talking specifically about a video game in this instance, because we all want the game to look and feel as real as possible.. I’m not taking about the accuracy of barefoot height that shows up in a teams player program.

Hypothetically, if 2K goes in and changes the height of every player to their newly listed barefoot height, but fails to input a scaling method to account for their shoes on the court, then we would realistically need to go back and add an inch or two to everyone’s newly listed height to make it accurate in the game on the floor. Especially those who mix current/old players.


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but Not every Player was measured with shoes. i Know that myles Turner was announced to be 6-11 during the nba india game while this is the height He was listed at since He was drafted. He is 6-11 in the game. means relatively to other players who Were measured with Shoes, He is smaller, as with Shoes he actually should be 7-0. i bet There are more cases where the height already has been without Shoes, so you cannot speak generally that everyone will get too small in the game by that.
they just need to standardize what they do.

[keshunleon]

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Richard Jefferson talked about this on The Jump.

He said he measured at 6'7 3/4" without shoes and was listed as 6'7", he was 6'9" in shoes.

If wingspan was done correctly in 2K the height changing shouldn't matter but it's not.

The NBA need to have accurate height and weight.

Spellman is listed as 6'9" 245 but is much bigger than Draymon Green 6'7" 230. Spellman looks 20+ lbs heavier.

[aloncho11]

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My point was they won't be "accurate" heights because 2K is scaled in a way that it's the players size on the court.. All of which are wearing shoes. When you edit a player his height is changing up or down while he's wearing shoes.

You can't have MJ for example 6'6 and change Draymond to 6'5 or whatever he's going to measure when he's closer to 6'7 standing next to MJ on a basketball court. That's more so my point.

The way I see it is: the only way to prevent this issue is to adjust everyone's height (including coaches and announcers). I've played with personal rosters with real heights on this gen and trust me, the difference is unnoticeable. I come from a metric system country and it is far more accurate than the standard imperial one used by the NBA.

Good news is the metric system is already incorporated into the game, meaning that you can actually have MJ at 195 cm (6'4.75") and Green at 197 cm (6'5.5"). If your system is configured to imperial system, it will show MJ at 6'4" and Green at 6'5", but ingame the will be 6'4.75" and 6'5.5".

[ojandpizza]

Re: The Dilemma of "accurate" heights

Richard Jefferson talked about this on The Jump.

He said he measured at 6'7 3/4" without shoes and was listed as 6'7", he was 6'9" in shoes.

If wingspan was done correctly in 2K the height changing shouldn't matter but it's not.

The NBA need to have accurate height and weight.

Spellman is listed as 6'9" 245 but is much bigger than Draymon Green 6'7" 230. Spellman looks 20+ lbs heavier.

To be fair, the NBA doesn’t actually need accurate height/weight because in reality there isn’t a coach,scout,GM in the world who cares how tall a player is. The only measurement that truly matters in that regard would be your reach/wingspan. Like I’ve said multiple times, I’m only referencing my opinion on this for a video game.. I could care a less what a players height is listed as in real life barefoot.. nobody plays basketball in their bare feet. People keep referencing these real world examples, I’m talking about in terms of 2K.

In the world of 2k changed heights for one decade of basketball and unchanged heights for the previous 5 will yield inaccuracies during game play on the floor for the way these players are scaled.. with wingspan and such as well considering players arm length is tied to their heights as well, rather than having an exact measurement we can adjust for that.

but Not every Player was measured with shoes. i Know that myles Turner was announced to be 6-11 during the nba india game while this is the height He was listed at since He was drafted. He is 6-11 in the game. means relatively to other players who Were measured with Shoes, He is smaller, as with Shoes he actually should be 7-0. i bet There are more cases where the height already has been without Shoes, so you cannot speak generally that everyone will get too small in the game by that.
they just need to standardize what they do.

Already responded to this in the other thread, but for a guy like Turner who was measured at 18/19 years old, it’s very realistic he’s just grown an inch.. I’m fine with the NBA standardizing what they do in the real world, but it terms of 2K they can’t go back and standardize the last 50 seasons.. I’m also not speaking generally that everyone will get smaller, but the ones that do are going to be misrepresented on the floor.

Edit: Turner measured 6’9.75 at the combine barefoot, over 6’11 in shoes.. he’s just grown.


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