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  • bucknut7
    Pro
    • Jul 2007
    • 965

    #1

    Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

    As everyone stews over the blatant lack of Franchise Mode acknowledgement today, I was curious to look back at what was promised last year at this time.

    When the news of the Scenario Engine came out last year, I was cautiously optimistic. How couldn't I be, with the way the Madden Dev team was selling it to us in its Gridiron Notes blog, and this article on Game Informer?

    I've pasted a few quotes from that article below... and it's hard to re-read these without feeling a complete sense of betrayal from the Madden development team. We were sold a function that would add dynamism and storylines into our franchise mode, which would breath life into what has become such a stale environment.

    Instead we got a glorified mechanism for stad-padding toward increased development and abilities. By Year 3 or 4 in a CFM, a user team's offense lights up like a Christmas tree given how easy it is to dev offensive skill players up to Superstar. Roster building is devalued, as drafting a player with Plus development means less when you can simply target that Normal receiver all game for one game and boost him up. And the CPU quickly falls behind, as they simply don't receive these breakout scenarios.

    Instead of incorporating more variables throughout the year that would make the function more interesting, EA seemingly just made breakout scenarios more common, and included new scenarios to pad players up from SS to SS-X. Oh yes, I've heard that 5th-year options were added via a patch! But how would I know when my league plays as Owners, and it's only available to Coaches? And even so, apparently this is also not available for CPU-controlled teams.

    In retrospect, I'm more offended by what was promised to us and not delivered on in Madden 20, than the lack of any new information today. At least EA was transparent today in it's complete disregard for it's Franchise base this morning.


    “When we looked all year at storylines like Le'Veon Bell's holdout or Antonio Brown demanding a trade, we really didn't have anything in Madden right now to bring leadership and managing the locker room, and personalities, and cohesiveness that's needed on a football team either from a player perspective or a coaching perspective,” Young says. “The Scenario Engine is intended to create dynamic storylines week to week based on how you're playing, who you are, your record, your stats, and the personalities around you. It fires off stories that could be one-week stories, but there are also several storylines that are branching."
    To achieve this goal, EA Tiburon essentially reverse engineered major and minor storylines from the last seven years, finding compelling scenarios that could challenge players and looking at the inputs that would be necessary to trigger these circumstances in a franchise playthrough. If a star player found out he was placed on the trade block, how would he react? If you cut ties with a future Hall of Famer in favor of a hotshot rookie, what would that do to the locker room?
    The offseason presents dynamic obstacles to overcome as well. “If you franchise tag a guy, there should be a risk that he'll just retire or demand a trade,” Young says. “You should feel that weight when you are making these choices instead of sorting a spreadsheet and going, 'eh, he's not that good.' There's got to be a risk/reward to this stuff to really make you feel the immersion of it.” If you’re the type of GM who doesn’t like surprises, this may affect how you approach drafting. Maybe you’ll pass on a temperamental player with more potential upside just for the peace of mind knowing that your pick won’t lead a revolt against your leadership.
    The Scenario Engine is flexible enough to incorporate more variables as Tiburon sees fit. “One thing we're really excited about is planning to add content throughout the year,” Young says. “This will be the first time we've ever done updates to franchise throughout the season.”
  • XtremeDunkz
    CNFL Commissioner
    • Aug 2007
    • 3414

    #2
    Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

    Oh God. The lies never stop. How is this allowed by such a major brand?

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    • Sphinx
      Emerald Archer
      • Aug 2010
      • 877

      #3
      Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

      I'm guessing they have no idea how to fix it to include all of the really good ideas it could/should have been used for. Now it's probably removed from 21 and they'll act like in never existed.

      What an embarrassment of a release. I'll never point blame at devs for this but EA as a company should be ashamed of this garbage.

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      • bucknut7
        Pro
        • Jul 2007
        • 965

        #4
        Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

        It would be nice if the journalists who cover the Sports Gaming industry would do something to hold these developers more accountable. It's one thing to write articles bemoaning the lack of development for franchise, but how about holding Michael Young's feet to the fire for clearly lying to the franchise base a year ago?

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        • PhillyPhanatic14
          MVP
          • Jun 2015
          • 4824

          #5
          Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

          Don't forget that "realistic contracts" were promised in that blog last year as well. It's just a joke.

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          • ChampIsHere42
            Pro
            • Apr 2009
            • 548

            #6
            Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

            They’ll remove it for 21. Then put it back in for 22 with some minor tweaks and act like it’s a brand new feature. Like always.

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            • The Black Redneck
              Rookie
              • Apr 2019
              • 140

              #7
              Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

              Originally posted by bucknut7
              It would be nice if the journalists who cover the Sports Gaming industry would do something to hold these developers more accountable. It's one thing to write articles bemoaning the lack of development for franchise, but how about holding Michael Young's feet to the fire for clearly lying to the franchise base a year ago?
              That’s what I don’t understand why don’t journalists who cover sports gaming and really gaming in general hold EA accountable? I wish a journalist would start asking some of the same questions that us sports gamers are asking.
              Always do sober what you said you would do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut

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              • canes21
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2008
                • 22941

                #8
                Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

                All we can hope for is that Madden 21 sells enough so that a small company like EA can grow and afford to have a team that focuses on franchise mode exclusively. Then, maybe, all of their ideas will get fleshed out. It's obvious right now that EA is just too small of a company and cannot afford to have a team that is dedicated to franchise mode and a team that is dedicated to Face of the Franchise. It's rough being a small-time indie dev, but Madden is only a top 5 selling game annually. You can't expect them(EA) to have the resources to do any more work until they consistently threaten for that top spot, or even a top 3 spot consistently.
                “No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”


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                • Darth Aegis
                  Lord of Suffering
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 4169

                  #9
                  Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

                  Originally posted by The Black Redneck
                  That’s what I don’t understand why don’t journalists who cover sports gaming and really gaming in general hold EA accountable? I wish a journalist would start asking some of the same questions that us sports gamers are asking.
                  Lol, well there not doing anything wrong. Honestly what's that even going to do at this point? They already have the sim license for atleast another 5 yrs. They're going to keep making the game they want regardless. It's a business and they will do what they have to to maximize their profits.
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                  • Hooe
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 21555

                    #10
                    Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

                    Originally posted by The Black Redneck
                    That’s what I don’t understand why don’t journalists who cover sports gaming and really gaming in general hold EA accountable? I wish a journalist would start asking some of the same questions that us sports gamers are asking.
                    The AAA video game industry generally views "games journalism" as an extension of their PR department. Most "games journalism" is just editorial content - first-looks, hands-on impressions, reviews, etc. Access to early copies of games is often extremely controlled - look at how Sony restricted reviews of their recent hit The Last Of Us 2 as the most recent of countless examples.

                    There are very few actual games journalists out there - Jason Schreier, Cecilia D'Anastasio, Stephen Totilo, and Jim Sterling come to mind, I'm sure there are more - uncovering the ****ty stuff going on in the game industry and actually forcing the public-facing leaders at the industry to answer hard questions and assume some surface level of accountability. These actual journalists' efforts tend to focus on human issues in the industry - insane working conditions at BioWare and Rockstar, sexual misconduct and associated cover-ups at Ubisoft, tax evasion at Activision-Blizzard, the ongoing discourse about the legality and morality of gambling mechanics such as lootboxes in video games, and what have you.

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                    • oneamongthefence
                      Nothing to see here folks
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 5683

                      #11
                      Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

                      Originally posted by The Black Redneck
                      That’s what I don’t understand why don’t journalists who cover sports gaming and really gaming in general hold EA accountable? I wish a journalist would start asking some of the same questions that us sports gamers are asking.
                      Because journalists that do are then blacklisted. And big gaming publications rely on having access to publishers to create content for their publications. So they can't really rock the boat. It also explains why when big stuff comes out it's with anonymous sources. Video game publishing is a big club. And when they want they can take their ball and go home.

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                      • lions2k9
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 314

                        #12
                        Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

                        “Franchise has come back to being a big focus on the game and it will continue to be,” Young says. “We just want to add this rich depth and immersion to it so we're starting to think about it more like a sports RPG.”

                        Just straight up lying about franchise mode in general.
                        Last edited by lions2k9; 06-30-2020, 07:08 PM.

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                        • shmitty
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 208

                          #13
                          Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

                          Originally posted by oneamongthefence
                          Because journalists that do are then blacklisted. And big gaming publications rely on having access to publishers to create content for their publications. So they can't really rock the boat. It also explains why when big stuff comes out it's with anonymous sources. Video game publishing is a big club. And when they want they can take their ball and go home.

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                          Mazique just dropped an article on Forbes. It wasn't scathing, but he definitely called them out.

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                          Last edited by shmitty; 06-30-2020, 09:43 PM.
                          Did this dude just did this?

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                          • UFCMPunk
                            All Star
                            • Jan 2016
                            • 8924

                            #14
                            Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

                            Originally posted by lions2k9
                            “Franchise has come back to being a big focus on the game and it will continue to be,” Young says. “We just want to add this rich depth and immersion to it so we're starting to think about it more like a sports RPG.”

                            Just straight up lying about franchise mode in general.
                            At what point does this EA become guilty of False Advertising?

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                            • stinkubus
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 1463

                              #15
                              Re: Reminder: EA blatantly lied to us about Scenario Engine in Madden 20

                              That's not a real thing. Or maybe I should sue Bud Light for tricking me into believing that all I need to do to score with swimsuit models is buy them a case of bad beer.

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