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  • RyanLeaf16
    MVP
    • Dec 2007
    • 1003

    #1

    34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

    Most of the time none of us will be running our base D, but I keep seeing multiple YouTube rebuild videos of creators saying that the 34 base "doesn't sim well" and running a 43 is better.

    Also seeing some of them say certain playbooks sim better than others.

    Anyone else notice this as well?
  • Madden08PCgmr
    MVP
    • Feb 2017
    • 2441

    #2
    Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

    Originally posted by RyanLeaf16
    Most of the time none of us will be running our base D, but I keep seeing multiple YouTube rebuild videos of creators saying that the 34 base "doesn't sim well" and running a 43 is better.

    Also seeing some of them say certain playbooks sim better than others.

    Anyone else notice this as well?
    Another legacy issue.

    This one goes back a long ways.
    You want free speech?
    Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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    • tg88forHOF
      Pro
      • Jun 2018
      • 591

      #3
      Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

      Originally posted by Madden08PCgmr
      Another legacy issue.

      This one goes back a long ways.
      Worth adding, one of the many things that would be fixed (or at least helped) by Madden changing positions from DE, DT, OLB, and MLB to IDL, EDGE, and LB like it's the 21st century.

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      • Hooe
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2002
        • 21555

        #4
        Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

        What do you mean exactly when you say something "doesn't sim well"?

        I assume you're referring to simulated game statistics, which people have a lot of opinions on, but I want to make sure I didn't miss something.

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        • Madden08PCgmr
          MVP
          • Feb 2017
          • 2441

          #5
          Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

          Originally posted by tg88forHOF
          Worth adding, one of the many things that would be fixed (or at least helped) by Madden changing positions from DE, DT, OLB, and MLB to IDL, EDGE, and LB like it's the 21st century.
          I mean, purely as a fan, it kind of has its advantages.

          I LOVED having BJ Raji leading my team in sacks. If you don't love a fat guy flattening a QB, I'd say you're not an American. Especially unblocked off the LOS…………………… its better than a free meal at your favorite restaurant, or free beer.

          Raji had 11 sacks in 6 NFL seasons. I think I racked up 15 when he was the Packers anchor in 2011.

          Raji's belt >>> Rodgers belt!
          Last edited by Madden08PCgmr; 09-10-2020, 02:31 PM.
          You want free speech?
          Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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          • RyanLeaf16
            MVP
            • Dec 2007
            • 1003

            #6
            Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

            Originally posted by CM Hooe
            What do you mean exactly when you say something "doesn't sim well"?

            I assume you're referring to simulated game statistics, which people have a lot of opinions on, but I want to make sure I didn't miss something.
            I'm specifically referring to some content creators that post Madden Franchise rebuilds on YouTube.

            Bengal mentioned that he has noticed that the 34 doesn't "sim well" in that teams seem to underperform as a whole with defensive performance as opposed to the 43 base.

            Also mentioned that some offensive playbooks seem to help sim results for teams and helps them to over-perform.

            I haven't done a lot of testing on this, but last night I did run some sim franchises to see if I noticed anything with the 34 vs 43...didn't change any playbooks. I did notice that the Bucs are dreadful in every sim. I did notice more sacks from 43 defenses and better W/L records.

            Again, I haven't done anything extensively, but I was just curious if anyone had experienced this as well or if they had any thoughts on it.

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            • A_ZomBevo
              Rookie
              • Sep 2010
              • 103

              #7
              Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

              Originally posted by RyanLeaf16
              I'm specifically referring to some content creators that post Madden Franchise rebuilds on YouTube.

              Bengal mentioned that he has noticed that the 34 doesn't "sim well" in that teams seem to underperform as a whole with defensive performance as opposed to the 43 base.

              Also mentioned that some offensive playbooks seem to help sim results for teams and helps them to over-perform.

              I haven't done a lot of testing on this, but last night I did run some sim franchises to see if I noticed anything with the 34 vs 43...didn't change any playbooks. I did notice that the Bucs are dreadful in every sim. I did notice more sacks from 43 defenses and better W/L records.

              Again, I haven't done anything extensively, but I was just curious if anyone had experienced this as well or if they had any thoughts on it.

              Do you know which offensive playbooks they meant?
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              • RyanLeaf16
                MVP
                • Dec 2007
                • 1003

                #8
                Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

                Originally posted by A_ZomBevo
                Do you know which offensive playbooks they meant?
                Giants playbook was mentioned. He said someone emailed him that they tried a Browns sim with the Giants playbook and Baker continually went off.

                Again, I haven't tested any of this, but I was curious if anyone else experienced this OR if it would impact AI performance in games that you play and not just sim results.

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                • tearyourshirt
                  Rookie
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 100

                  #9
                  Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

                  I’m still playing madden 20, but they haven’t changed the formula for years and I doubt they’ve started now

                  Yes, certain playbooks sim better/provide better offense than others when simming.
                  Bears (with a mobile qb)
                  Bills (for passing yards)
                  Atlanta
                  Packers
                  Patriots
                  Saints
                  Titans (for passing yards)
                  Tampa bay

                  The key to get top performance out of your qbs when simming is to make sure their traits are
                  Sense of pressure-ideal
                  Force passes can be any, but ideal is best
                  Tight spiral
                  If simming, your qbs overall doesn’t really matter (really!) as long as they have those traits

                  Make sure your LT and RT are great at pass blocking and awareness. They’re really the only linemen that matter in sim
                  Wr overall reall doesn’t matter either (IF SIMMING)
                  As far as rbs, look for awareness, ball carrier vision, break tackle, and carrying

                  On defense (if you’re running 3-4) block shed, awareness, and power moves are big.
                  All of your defense should have the high motor trait. Your 3 down linemen and outside linebackers should also have the bull rush trait as well. Your Mlbs should have decent awareness, block shed (70+), and tackling.
                  I always want my dbs to have the aggressive play ball trait. For playbooks, try the bears, rams, patriots, ravens, and steelers playbooks.

                  Another key aspect- make sure (outside of qb and oline) that all of your players are 30 or younger for peak performance.

                  Again, this is if you are SIMMING all or most of your games. Of course you’d want better rated players if you’re actually playing. I hope this helps[emoji1417]



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                  • Madden08PCgmr
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2017
                    • 2441

                    #10
                    Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

                    ^^^ looks like something ripped right out of Sm27s Manifesto thread.
                    You want free speech?
                    Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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                    • Jagsfan24
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2016
                      • 1864

                      #11
                      Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

                      In my previous years of madden I have noticed the 43 defense plays better, even though the 34 is my favorite.

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                      • Funkycorm
                        Cleveland Baseball Guru
                        • Nov 2016
                        • 3159

                        #12
                        Re: 34 vs 43 Base D in Sim

                        Not always true.

                        In 20, I simmed and won 14 super bowls in 30 years using a 34 defense with the Vikings and was a top 10 defense in 18 of those 30 years. Most of the top 10 in defense was after the first 7 years of tear down and rebuild.

                        I have had equal success in both while simming.
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