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1212headkick 09-18-2020 07:12 AM
Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
I came up on a clinch guide way before anyone knew what they were doing. Theres also a guide solid Altair made that I couldn't get my hands on. Leads me to believe there's alot if information regarding the game that hasn't been made public and quite frankly is being hoarded. So any guides that aren't public and the momentum transitions will those ever be available or does the playerbase just gotta suffer?

rabbitfistssaipailo 09-18-2020 07:16 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1212headkick (Post 2050214942)
I came up on a clinch guide way before anyone knew what they were doing. Theres also a guide solid Altair made that I couldn't get my hands on. Leads me to believe there's alot if information regarding the game that hasn't been made public and quite frankly is being hoarded. So any guides that aren't public and the momentum transitions will those ever be available or does the playerbase just gotta suffer?
Hmmm ?

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EarvGotti 09-18-2020 04:32 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
This is one of the problems i have with the gamechangers in particular. They look down on the casual player and make fun of how they play etc, but yet they hoard all of this knowledge that they get directly from EA and refuse to share it with anyone.

Obviously, they shouldn't share glitches or OP tactics with the public. But when it comes to advanced legit tactics they seem to just hoard it in their little bubble and then wonder why the community doesn't enjoy the game as much as them. A lot of these gamechangers are also ESFL competitors as well which is another interesting thing.

Some of them have done a better job of putting out tutorials this year. Specifically IMUHBOXER, DMART, Romero, and Bayliun. But still, how do you expect the community to grow and become better players if knowledge of certain things is hidden?

1212headkick 09-18-2020 08:25 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
The guides they get and the ones we get are much much different in terms of depth. Its truly laughable

ZHunter1990 09-19-2020 12:16 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1212headkick (Post 2050215706)
The guides they get and the ones we get are much much different in terms of depth. Its truly laughable
Can you please direct me as to where to find these other guides? Because the only one I have recieved is clinch moveset guide which was already made public.

For UFC3, we got a combo guide. Those are literally the only guides I have been given. You can take your tinfoil hat off now.

MartialMind 09-19-2020 12:39 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1212headkick (Post 2050215706)
The guides they get and the ones we get are much much different in terms of depth. Its truly laughable
Dude, you are flat out 100% wrong. As in, you're not even close to being accurate on that. You are soooo wrong, I'm actually questioning if I am a Gamechanger.

rabbitfistssaipailo 09-19-2020 01:23 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EarvGotti (Post 2050215496)
This is one of the problems i have with the gamechangers in particular. They look down on the casual player and make fun of how they play etc, but yet they hoard all of this knowledge that they get directly from EA and refuse to share it with anyone.

Obviously, they shouldn't share glitches or OP tactics with the public. But when it comes to advanced legit tactics they seem to just hoard it in their little bubble and then wonder why the community doesn't enjoy the game as much as them. A lot of these gamechangers are also ESFL competitors as well which is another interesting thing.

Some of them have done a better job of putting out tutorials this year. Specifically IMUHBOXER, DMART, Romero, and Bayliun. But still, how do you expect the community to grow and become better players if knowledge of certain things is hidden?
Look down on the casual players ????

To an extent this not true . A lot of them are dedicated to helping out the player base and most of them are very invisible and illusive.

And they do not horde knowledge. They don't as a matter of fact if you follow them religiously , you will learn a lot from them .

I have all my notifications on for most of the GCs , so I learn a lot ,as much as possible from the GCs . So please let's not create this impression my brother .

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rabbitfistssaipailo 09-19-2020 01:28 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Go watch Romero's khabib light weight real life showcase. Right there and then , he did something I've never seen before and he explained it.

But guess what , what he did is displayed in the moveset. It's not hidden , it's right there.

The information is there .

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NEWSS 09-19-2020 03:24 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Why wasn't the clinch and takedowns movesets guide made public properly by EA from the beginning?
That's very complete and useful but I randomly stumbled upon it by a random user on Reddit, buried among many different threads, I'm sure most people ignore its existence

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rabbitfistssaipailo 09-19-2020 03:36 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NEWSS (Post 2050215962)
Why wasn't the clinch and takedowns movesets guide made public properly by EA from the beginning?
That's very complete and useful but I randomly stumbled upon it by a random user on Reddit, buried among many different threads, I'm sure most people ignore its existence

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From the begining of what ?

Dude where did this clinch and takedown moveset guide come from ?

And I have the guide which was given to me by the OP, and by the way there is nothing special in that guide , and all info in there was being given by the GCs during the demo.


I can challenge you on that.

Look this ain't my fight.

I understand y'all frustration with this game. Hope it it gets better for all of us.



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NEWSS 09-19-2020 04:37 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabbitfistssaipailo (Post 2050215964)
From the begining of what ?

Dude where did this clinch and takedown moveset guide come from ?

And I have the guide which was given to me by the OP, and by the way there is nothing special in that guide , and all info in there was being given by the GCs during the demo.


I can challenge you on that.

Look this ain't my fight.

I understand y'all frustration with this game. Hope it it gets better for all of us.



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When or before the beta or the full game dropped and in a more "visible" manner.

I wasn't blaming GCs in any way, but to find all that information you had to watch many YouTube videos from different people, time consuming and inconvenient. I found much easier to just check the guide but maybe that's just me.

I don't know who wrote this guide, do you?

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SUGATA 09-19-2020 04:41 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZHunter1990 (Post 2050215901)
Can you please direct me as to where to find these other guides? Because the only one I have recieved is clinch moveset guide which was already made public.

For UFC3, we got a combo guide. Those are literally the only guides I have been given. You can take your tinfoil hat off now.
Could you please post a link on UFC 3 Combo guide or how to find it?

SUGATA 09-19-2020 04:44 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1212headkick (Post 2050214942)
I came up on a clinch guide way before anyone knew what they were doing. Theres also a guide solid Altair made that I couldn't get my hands on. Leads me to believe there's alot if information regarding the game that hasn't been made public and quite frankly is being hoarded. So any guides that aren't public and the momentum transitions will those ever be available or does the playerbase just gotta suffer?
Post please a link on Clinch guide and other UFC 4 guides you know?
What is the Guide made by Solid Altair? And why you think it is hidden? Someone , please post a link

NEWSS 09-19-2020 04:52 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SUGATA (Post 2050215983)
Post please a link on Clinch guide and other UFC 4 guides you know?
What is the Guide made by Solid Altair? And why you think it is hidden? Someone , please post a link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ejqarun6bn...6%29.docx?dl=0

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Phillyboi207 09-19-2020 07:12 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Wow

I can see why Hammer rubs so many people the wrong way.

He’s straight up lying.

I told him about an outdated clinch guide from waaay before and he kept asking for it. I’m pretty sure an updated one was made public in one of the UFC discords. I even told him where to go to find much more helpful clinch guides that were made by GCs.

And for some reason he made up this theory about a guide for new momentum transitions.

Hammer, please don’t bother asking me for anything else if you’re going to twist things into conspiracy theories since you didn't get what you wanted.

1212headkick 09-19-2020 08:16 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phillyboi207 (Post 2050216013)
Wow

I can see why Hammer rubs so many people the wrong way.

He’s straight up lying.

I told him about an outdated clinch guide from waaay before and he kept asking for it. I’m pretty sure an updated one was made public in one of the UFC discords. I even told him where to go to find much more helpful clinch guides that were made by GCs.

And for some reason he made up this theory about a guide for new momentum transitions.

Hammer, please don’t bother asking me for anything else if you’re going to twist things into conspiracy theories since you didn't get what you wanted.


No updated guides have been made public. Its egregious that your calling me a liar. This is much more in depth then any video. I barely ask you for anything anyways. But to call me a liar is a sad way to deflect the facts. If it wasn't for this you could easily dismiss me as a liar. Facts stand in the way

Counter Punch 09-19-2020 01:05 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EarvGotti (Post 2050215496)
This is one of the problems i have with the gamechangers in particular. They look down on the casual player and make fun of how they play etc, but yet they hoard all of this knowledge that they get directly from EA and refuse to share it with anyone.

Obviously, they shouldn't share glitches or OP tactics with the public. But when it comes to advanced legit tactics they seem to just hoard it in their little bubble and then wonder why the community doesn't enjoy the game as much as them. A lot of these gamechangers are also ESFL competitors as well which is another interesting thing.

Some of them have done a better job of putting out tutorials this year. Specifically IMUHBOXER, DMART, Romero, and Bayliun. But still, how do you expect the community to grow and become better players if knowledge of certain things is hidden?
I generally agree with what you’re saying but the game should be teaching this to us after 4 iterations. We shouldn’t be reliant on 3rd parties to voluntarily explain to us how to play the game, PARTICULARLY if more casual gamers were the intended audience.

SUGATA 09-19-2020 01:56 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phillyboi207 (Post 2050216013)
Wow

I can see why Hammer rubs so many people the wrong way.

He’s straight up lying.

I told him about an outdated clinch guide from waaay before and he kept asking for it. I’m pretty sure an updated one was made public in one of the UFC discords. I even told him where to go to find much more helpful clinch guides that were made by GCs.

And for some reason he made up this theory about a guide for new momentum transitions.

Hammer, please don’t bother asking me for anything else if you’re going to twist things into conspiracy theories since you didn't get what you wanted.
Just post here links to the Guides plz)

ZHunter1990 09-19-2020 02:10 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Clinch guide:https://file.io/erLC4Awhgn8N
Keep in mind this guide is not updated and is an unofficial pre release guide.


The combo list is long gone as I have a new phone now. But it wasn't as in depth as the games combos lists anyway.

1212headkick 09-19-2020 03:58 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
My combo guide hasn't been updated but its probably still more current the one posted.

tomitomitomi 09-19-2020 04:12 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
What secret moves have the GCs used that you can't find tutorials or guides for?

SUGATA 09-20-2020 12:10 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZHunter1990 (Post 2050216282)
Clinch guide:https://file.io/erLC4Awhgn8N
Keep in mind this guide is not updated and is an unofficial pre release guide.


The combo list is long gone as I have a new phone now. But it wasn't as in depth as the games combos lists anyway.
Dude, you link is 404 error
Do you mean this link posted above or another guide?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ejqarun6bn...6%29.docx?dl=0





Could you post any other Guides links for UFC 4 you know plz...
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SlimmerFredette 09-20-2020 07:45 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Counter Punch (Post 2050216217)
I generally agree with what you’re saying but the game should be teaching this to us after 4 iterations. We shouldn’t be reliant on 3rd parties to voluntarily explain to us how to play the game, PARTICULARLY if more casual gamers were the intended audience.
This is why I absolutely don't buy the idea that EA marketed this game to casuals. 4 is an unintuitive as any sports game I've played. Not only are the controls needlessly complex for a new gamer (I've played all the releases), but there were zero tutorials or valid explanations on how to use the most important aspect of the game -- the clinch.

EA just did what they could with their budget, cut corners where they could, and put it out there. With promotion by the UFC and EA, naturally, casual gamers will catch on regardless of how the actual game is constructed.

Boiler569 09-22-2020 09:56 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
We are missing the point here guys.

Can we create a community guide on all momentum transitions???????

:y7::y7::y7:

:nchuck:

1212headkick 09-22-2020 04:10 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boiler569 (Post 2050218618)
We are missing the point here guys.

Can we create a community guide on all momentum transitions???????

:y7::y7::y7:

:nchuck:
Theres more stuff thats unreleased regardless of whatever falsehood your told.

Boiler569 09-22-2020 04:43 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
don't really care I whoop just about everyone, but I do really want to know all 40 of the momentum transitions allegedly in-game haha maybe a GCer will do a video soon (ROMERO????)

Good Grappler 09-22-2020 06:13 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
I haven’t read through this whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been resolved.

But I think 1212headkick’s plight is that there are several moves, tactics, and mechanics in the game which the general public is unaware of.

And these aren’t just trivial moves and mechanics - they’re presence is extremely significant, and can completely reshape the way players approach gameplay.

Yes, we are provided with extremely basic guides, covering striking, clinching, takedowns and grappling. But these only cover the ABSOLUTE basics, such as controller inputs.

Take the clinch guide for example. It doesn’t even mention that the submissive fighter can transition after being clinched, so long as it is before they get knee’d. There’s NOTHING on how to reverse position from standing backpack - which apparently is possible.

1212headkick 09-22-2020 10:37 PM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Good Grappler (Post 2050219201)
I haven’t read through this whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been resolved.

But I think 1212headkick’s plight is that there are several moves, tactics, and mechanics in the game which the general public is unaware of.

And these aren’t just trivial moves and mechanics - they’re presence is extremely significant, and can completely reshape the way players approach gameplay.

Yes, we are provided with extremely basic guides, covering striking, clinching, takedowns and grappling. But these only cover the ABSOLUTE basics, such as controller inputs.

Take the clinch guide for example. It doesn’t even mention that the submissive fighter can transition after being clinched, so long as it is before they get knee’d. There’s NOTHING on how to reverse position from standing backpack - which apparently is possible.
Someone with a brain.

Evil97 09-23-2020 12:17 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
I'm sorry, but at some point you just need to explore on your own. Hit up practice mode and spar/watch/chat with other high level players. A big patch is dropping and you are essentially just aiming at a moving target. Who knows, you may be the first to discover something that the best players will still need to learn and/or improve on.

ryangil23 09-23-2020 12:34 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
People here complaining that they aren’t told what to press to do things and I’m doing them sometimes and have no clue how I did it. I try a body punch and all of a sudden I’ve drove them to the cage, picked them up and slammed them to the ground lol

Boiler569 09-23-2020 09:41 AM
Re: Will the new momentum transitions be made public or are only gas getting guides?
 
tbh this knowledge gap IS a real issue but i don't think it's malicious so to speak ... i.e. GameChangers have secret knowledge they only share at 2:00 AM each night of a Full Moon when sacrificing bats or some **** lmao

But there IS a lot of arcane knowledge of the game that really needs to be exposed by multiple content creators. I try to point things out on my twitch stream but that's only 5 to 25 people watching ahhaha :)

Besides all the new stuff for UFC 4, there are a lot of little things from UFC 2 and UFC 3 that were patched-in but never really formalized, or you just wouldn't know about unless you're a super hardcore and read this forum every day for years like a few of us lol ....or are a gamechanger of course.

EA took a step in the right direction expanding the tutorial/practice mode/etc. this year but they need to double that effort to really make a breakthrough ... and hopefully we will get some really in-depth youtube videos/etc. from the community (we already have many, which explain most of this stuff, but more always helps especially as this game gets patched and changes)


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