Is this the year we finally get a Carousel?

[canes21]

A recent conversation in the CFB board had me thinking about a Coaching Carousel again. When NHL got the feature not too long ago, we all assumed this was sort of a test run and Madden would surely get the feature.

Obviously it hasn't been brought over still. With CFB being announced to be releasing in the near future, it seems like even more points towards Madden potentially getting this feature added in.

We know it won't be a stretch for EA to not include the carousel in the new CFB game. Nothing would surprise us with EA anymore, but I would like to think this is a feature they worked so hard to get into NCAA 14 that they want to make sure it does return, hopefully improved, for the reboot of the series.

Given that NHL has had it for years and EA has more familiarity with the feature and should be more comfortable with it, is now not a good time for them to get it into Madden to not only lay the foundation for the CFB release, but to also be a major addition to quiet down the #FixMaddenFranchise crowd that will surely return if EA drops the ball again with the mode moving forward?

We all know Madden would get a big feature, it would get tested and tuned, then NCAA got it the next year. It seems like now is a good opportunity for that type of feature to return Madden to be fine tuned for the CFB release that will be here soon. It's a net positive for both games. It gives the franchise crowd a huge feature they've been wishing for for years, and it helps ensure the CFB dynasty mode is no less of a mode than what we had in 2013.

Given the bad PR with franchise mode and the effort EA has taken to patch in a decent amount of smaller wishlist items this year, it would seem safe to assume EA will not want to launch the CFB series with a lackluster dynasty mode. That would be a potential PR disaster.

With what appears to be a renewed focus on franchise mode, I think it is safe to assume dynasty mode will get its share of attention to. The coaching carousel is a huge feature that you feel any sports game about has to have at this point. I think CFB being announced to return is a perfect opportunity for Madden to get a feature like the carousel added into the game to not only benefit Madden, but for the CFB series as well.

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[infinite76]

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EA needs to not over think NCAA. They need to literally port over the old product and update the graphics and physics for the initial release. It will make everyone happy and then they can work on additions.

Outside of graphics, physics and code flaws that can be exploited (like recruiting), it's a great game

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[jfsolo]

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IMO we will only get the Carousel this year in Madden if they have already been working on it for a while. With all the hurdles development teams have had to deal with for the last couple of years I expect that the Madden 22 Franchise improvements will be chosen based upon relative ease of implementation.

I hope it doesn't take this long but the Carousel may debut in EACF and Madden in the same cycle 2 1/2 years from now. I hope I'm wrong though.

[PhillyPhanatic14]

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This is the time of year when the most dangerous part of being a Madden player comes back... hope... lol. I would love for this to be in, as well as a realistic contract system, players demanding trades, better and more random progression/regression system, being able to start before the current year's draft, i could go on... hope for franchise in any videogame right now is so dangerous man haha. I've been watching the show forums since it's coming to xbox and seeing their comments about franchise in that game is eye opening. They feel everything we feel over here.

[canes21]

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This is the time of year when the most dangerous part of being a Madden player comes back... hope... lol. I would love for this to be in, as well as a realistic contract system, players demanding trades, better and more random progression/regression system, being able to start before the current year's draft, i could go on... hope for franchise in any videogame right now is so dangerous man haha. I've been watching the show forums since it's coming to xbox and seeing their comments about franchise in that game is eye opening. They feel everything we feel over here.

The off-season is the best time of year for being a fan of most teams. Optimism is at the highest point. Madden is no different.

If NHL didn't have a carousel, this wouldn't cross my mind, but given that college football is returning potentially next year, if not, then very likely in 2023, and that NHL added this feature recently, it doesn't feel like as big of a stretch to think it could finally be coming to Madden.

It is EA, so I won't be surprised if we get the carousel in the CFB release and it remains absent from Madden, but it seems if they were going to put it into Madden, this year is one that actually makes a lot of sense. This year and next year both do. Add in their "refocus" on franchise and who knows?

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[kennylc321]

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I think a coaching carousel is a great addition but here's the thing:

It has to mean something. EA could add a carousel that is nothing more than having a name listed as the O/C, D/C or whatever. It want it to impact the game and I want to impact to be noticed

If it doesn't do that then I don't want it

[oneamongthefence]

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In the franchise deep dive for Madden 22 they mentioned coaching and staff management as one the areas they're looking to improve. I like the idea of using XP to buy coaching upgrades but the upgrades are pretty minimal except for the more scouting points and xp earned. The others under acquisition are hardly noticable. Just turn those into scenarios or use XP itself as kind of a currency. You have to balance getting upgrades vs using the xp to better influence a player to stay vs retire or a free agent to sign with you.

I'm in favor of giving what's there way more depth rather than some more superficial additions. I've said for years madden doesn't iterate on its additions. Besides some minor tweaks most features are the same as when they were first implemented. Scouting for example has been the same for years. The only change is that the rating unlocks prices have been reversed. Coaching skills have been the same.

Coaching carousel would be shallow if the coaches themselves have no depth.

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[illwill10]

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In the franchise deep dive for Madden 22 they mentioned coaching and staff management as one the areas they're looking to improve. I like the idea of using XP to buy coaching upgrades but the upgrades are pretty minimal except for the more scouting points and xp earned. The others under acquisition are hardly noticable. Just turn those into scenarios or use XP itself as kind of a currency. You have to balance getting upgrades vs using the xp to better influence a player to stay vs retire or a free agent to sign with you.

I'm in favor of giving what's there way more depth rather than some more superficial additions. I've said for years madden doesn't iterate on its additions. Besides some minor tweaks most features are the same as when they were first implemented. Scouting for example has been the same for years. The only change is that the rating unlocks prices have been reversed. Coaching skills have been the same.

Coaching carousel would be shallow if the coaches themselves have no depth.

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Fully agree.

Coach Carousel has been a top community request for at least 4-5 years. One of the excuses has been since the coordinators aren't apart of the Coaches Association, they would have to individually license each coordinator. I could care less about real coordinators as long as we could edit them. The causal fan only knows the notable coordinators anyway. They could take the NHL approach with fictional ones. I still find it odd that NHL got coach Carousel before Madden.

But as you said, Madden implements features one year and doesn't expand on it. It's like only when a new feature is marketable, they'll work on it. They touted Scenario Engine as a big feature last year that they would build on, but didn't do much if anything this year. Traits haven't been touched since year 2 of implementation. For a game with bad AI and no tendency system, Traits could have made a huge impact

[kennylc321]

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Fully agree.

Coach Carousel has been a top community request for at least 4-5 years. One of the excuses has been since the coordinators aren't apart of the Coaches Association, they would have to individually license each coordinator. I could care less about real coordinators as long as we could edit them. The causal fan only knows the notable coordinators anyway. They could take the NHL approach with fictional ones. I still find it odd that NHL got coach Carousel before Madden.

But as you said, Madden implements features one year and doesn't expand on it. It's like only when a new feature is marketable, they'll work on it. They touted Scenario Engine as a big feature last year that they would build on, but didn't do much if anything this year. Traits haven't been touched since year 2 of implementation. For a game with bad AI and no tendency system, Traits could have made a huge impact

Yep. Put the generic coaches in and work on getting the real ones sometime later. Of course gamers are going to whine about it but whiners are going to whine.

I've been screaming this all year... the reason Madden won't expand on features is becuase they keep implementing stupid modes like superstar KO and the Yard. If you really want to have The Yard then make it its own game that comes out in February or whatever.

[illwill10]

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Yep. Put the generic coaches in and work on getting the real ones sometime later. Of course gamers are going to whine about it but whiners are going to whine.

I've been screaming this all year... the reason Madden won't expand on features is becuase they keep implementing stupid modes like superstar KO and the Yard. If you really want to have The Yard then make it its own game that comes out in February or whatever.

I think the bigger issue was the focus on Longshot and FoTF. The Franchise resources was used on those modes the last 4 years(5 if you consider they spent the year prior to Longshot implementing it). They were trying to have their on MyCareer. The problem is the approach they're taking. Longshot and FoTF were essentially short single player campaign modes. I'm a big single player career guy, hell I when I buy 2k, I only play offline MyCareer because I'm not big bball fan. I would buy The Show if I was a baseball fan. But, I wouldn't want a single player "Campaign" mode in a sports games. I can't imagine how much time and money were spent on those modes.

[illwill10]

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I do agree that it could be very shallow if implemented. For Coach Carousel to really work in Madden, you really have to go in depth. It can't be a bare bones experience where they just add coordinators and you have the ability to move up to a HC job. With NCAA, you had 3 things going for you. You had recruiting, freedom of movement, and you can make it challenging by starting at a 1 star school. In NFL, there isn't a freedom of movement and ideally you want to last at your job as long as possible.

Not going to list a wishlist, but there's so much that needs to be included. Coaches need to have notable impact. Needs to be a Culture/morale impact. Needs to be off the field stuff(can incorporate Scenario Engine into it). Almost have to incorporate a full staff or at least have a pool of coordinator candidates attached to teams. There's so much more without doing a wishlist.

[xCoachDx]

Is this the year we finally get a Carousel?

EA needs to not over think NCAA. They need to literally port over the old product and update the graphics and physics for the initial release. It will make everyone happy and then they can work on additions.

Outside of graphics, physics and code flaws that can be exploited (like recruiting), it's a great game

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That is an absolutely horrendous idea as 14 wasnt a great football product to begin with, and is certainly outdated now. The Infinity Engine was a mess as there were zero physics in the game. Running backs rarely got knocked backwards, anyone could land a big hit, ball carriers could get hit while standing still and still break tackles, physics were just non existent. Defensively, Madden has things better now than they’ve ever been for EA. Pass coverage has actual pattern matching where in 14, it was pure spot drop coverage which was done really poorly that year. There is actual run fitting and gap responsibility now, whereas 14 did not. So linemen just ran head first into each other and basically played pattycake with one another.

NCAA 14 was taking the series in the wrong direction. We would actually be better off taking Madden 21 (next gen) and copy and pasting it over rather than taking NCAA 14. Hopefully, they do neither and just take what is solid with M21 and clean up the areas that are not (blocking schemes need the most work imo. Something that was perfect in NCAA 11 but scrapped in 14). We’ll see what happens.

The one thing they can take is the dynasty mode complete with the coaching carousel. That was as good as it gets dynasty wise. It was great to see coordinators moving around and taking their systems with them to new places (Although seeing a major power 5 team land the Army coach and start running the wishbone was odd). Definitely hope we see this soon. Having position coaches as well would be even better. Especially if different coaches brought you different rewards. Could be a tie in with the schemes feature.

[pokeballer246]

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They said that the goal for the college football video game is 2023 which basically means 2 more maddens

[canes21]

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They said that the goal for the college football video game is 2023 which basically means 2 more maddens

EA hasn't said anything concrete other than it isn't coming this year. 2023 would be my guess, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if next year sees it release. I'd honestly be more shocked if it didn't come out until 2024 than I would be if it came out next year in 2022. I think more work has been done than was let on by EA in their releases.

[UFCMPunk]

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Fully agree.

Coach Carousel has been a top community request for at least 4-5 years. One of the excuses has been since the coordinators aren't apart of the Coaches Association, they would have to individually license each coordinator. I could care less about real coordinators as long as we could edit them. The causal fan only knows the notable coordinators anyway. They could take the NHL approach with fictional ones. I still find it odd that NHL got coach Carousel before Madden.

But as you said, Madden implements features one year and doesn't expand on it. It's like only when a new feature is marketable, they'll work on it. They touted Scenario Engine as a big feature last year that they would build on, but didn't do much if anything this year. Traits haven't been touched since year 2 of implementation. For a game with bad AI and no tendency system, Traits could have made a huge impact

This 1000%. I'm fine with fake coordinators if you can't get the real ones as long as they are editable and their attribute bonuses are editable(IE + 5 Pass Blocking) just like Superstar X Factors are, it can work. Along side this I'd like to see Create A Coach added where we can create coaches that would appear as Free Agents in the offseason. Being able to create Urban Meyer, Matt Rhule, Jim Harbaugh or a HOF Coach like Joe Gibbs, John Madden, unofficially put Bill Belichick in the game lol.

I didn't buy Madden 21 and carrying on with my real life CFM that got thrown a loop due to all the roster rule changes but with 17 games coming on the horizon, I'll probably only be able to keep my real CFM on Madden 20 going for one more year if the NFL delays 17 games until 2022. So hopefully Madden 22 gives me a reason to move on and start a new real life CFM on there.