Help with ratings and attributes for Greg Landry

[Lionsfan032897]

Is anyone familiar with Greg Landry? He was a Quarterback for the Detroit Lions. He made the Pro Bowl and First Team All Pro for the 1971 season and was the Comeback Player Of The Year for the 1976 season. I'm going to put him on my all-time Lions team, but I need help with his ratings and attributes. Can someone who is familiar with Greg help me.

[Playmakers]

Re: Help with ratings and attributes for Greg Landry

Well for starters just off the top of my head if your looking for realism and not just out to make him a 99 overall here's some suggestions.

His career comp % was 55.5%. In Madden I'd rate him around 75-76 for accuracy.

He did have a strong arm though. His longest career pass was 84 yards but he topped 80 yards on a few occasions. I'd rate him 90 for throw power....

His career TD/INT ratio (98/103) wasn't very impressive but that was pretty much the norm for guys back in those days. He took a lot of sacks considering they didn't throw the ball much back then. I believe he had 4 years in which he got sacked 30 or more times with one year getting as high as 55 sacks.

So for his Trait I'd probably set throw ball away to NO, Forces Passes to Ideal and Sense Pressure to Trigger Happy.

He had some big years running the ball as a QB back then 6 times topping 200+ and twice going over 500 yards.

My key ratings would be the following

Throw Power-90

Throw Accuracy
Short-76
Mid-70
Long-82

Awareness-74

Players weren't as fast back then either. But the avg 40 time for today's QB's is 4.81. I'd say since he did run well back then his speed would be comparable to league avg today on the low end though.

Speed-70
Agility-70
Accelerate-78
COD-70

If your looking for a specific season like his Pro Bowl year (71) then his awareness would go up to around 80-81 for that season. He finished with comp rate of 52% and his TD/INT ratio was 16/13 that season.

Now granted if you search on EA Share for All Time rosters most of the QB's are going to be rated in 90's or higher. So he's not going to look good compared to those QB's but I'm not a fan of those rosters because it looks like a team full of MUT players.

hope that helps

[tommycoa]

Re: Help with ratings and attributes for Greg Landry

Well for starters just off the top of my head if your looking for realism and not just out to make him a 99 overall here's some suggestions.

His career comp % was 55.5%. In Madden I'd rate him around 75-76 for accuracy.

He did have a strong arm though. His longest career pass was 84 yards but he topped 80 yards on a few occasions. I'd rate him 90 for throw power....

His career TD/INT ratio (98/103) wasn't very impressive but that was pretty much the norm for guys back in those days. He took a lot of sacks considering they didn't throw the ball much back then. I believe he had 4 years in which he got sacked 30 or more times with one year getting as high as 55 sacks.

So for his Trait I'd probably set throw ball away to NO, Forces Passes to Ideal and Sense Pressure to Trigger Happy.

He had some big years running the ball as a QB back then 6 times topping 200+ and twice going over 500 yards.

My key ratings would be the following

Throw Power-90

Throw Accuracy
Short-76
Mid-70
Long-82

Awareness-74

Players weren't as fast back then either. But the avg 40 time for today's QB's is 4.81. I'd say since he did run well back then his speed would be comparable to league avg today on the low end though.

Speed-70
Agility-70
Accelerate-78
COD-70

If your looking for a specific season like his Pro Bowl year (71) then his awareness would go up to around 80-81 for that season. He finished with comp rate of 52% and his TD/INT ratio was 16/13 that season.

Now granted if you search on EA Share for All Time rosters most of the QB's are going to be rated in 90's or higher. So he's not going to look good compared to those QB's but I'm not a fan of those rosters because it looks like a team full of MUT players.

hope that helps

From what i’ve read, landry was a top scrambler in his day. Bobby Douglass for the bears and tarkenton as well. douglass was really big and had a cannon arm as well. he was built more like tebow. dan majkowski would be a more modern comparison for Greg Landry. Landry’s career just lasted quite a bit longer.

[Playmakers]

Re: Help with ratings and attributes for Greg Landry

From what i’ve read, landry was a top scrambler in his day. Bobby Douglass for the bears and tarkenton as well. douglass was really big and had a cannon arm as well. he was built more like tebow. dan majkowski would be a more modern comparison for Greg Landry. Landry’s career just lasted quite a bit longer.

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[Playmakers]

Re: Help with ratings and attributes for Greg Landry

Full Cap for Greg Landry (I test out Ratings in CPU vs CPU gameplay on Pro Level)

Obviously these ratings as mentioned before won't stack up to MUT ratings for QB's. But those ratings are done to give a higher boost collectively to each QB.

Throw on the Run-80
Throw Under Pressure-74
Break Sack-80
Play Action-78

Speed: 70

Acceleration: 78

Agility: 80 (Increased this up from 70 but leave COD at 70 this will keep his movement for Throw on the run animation smooth)

Awareness: 74

Carrying: 70 (He had 41 fumbles doing his career)

BC Vision: 82

Stiff Arm: 72

Break tackle: 72

Trucking: 71

Spin Move: 65

Juke Move: 71

Change of Direction-70

Injury: 80 (71 & 72 were the only years in which he played and started every game)

Stamina: 90

Strength: 72

Toughness: 90

Attributes:

Throw Style-Slinger 2 (Don't use the generics the releases take too long)

QB Player Style-Balanced (If you set it to Scrambler he might take off way too often)

Throw Ball Away-NO

Sense Pressure-Ideal

Force Passes-Balanced

Fights for Extra Yards: Yes

Covers the Ball: Brace against big hitters

High Motor: No

Penalty: Undisciplined

[Playmakers]

Re: Help with ratings and attributes for Greg Landry

Bobby Layne (The Blonde Bomber)

https://vault.si.com/vault/1957/12/02/lambs-into-lions

"Layne is not the best passer in the league by a pretty long margin," a Detroit observer remarked the other day. "He's certainly not the best runner, either. But he damn sure is the best winner."

https://www.vintagedetroit.com/twelv...-legend-lions/
Now, oddly, it was Layne’s running that won over fans. Disdaining a facemask and hip, knee, and thigh pads, he often took a pounding lugging the ball up field, but bounced up after every tackle. By the end of the 1952 season only eight other players in the league had gained more yards on the ground. “If his sinewy legs carry Detroit to the divisional playoff or, perchance, to the championship, Detroit will have to dust off a permanent place for a new favorite,” Spoelstra wrote.

Throw Power-89 (Was a College pitcher had a real good arm but not great)

Completed only 49% of his passes throughout his career/But he had great intangibles
Throw Accuracy Short-68
Throw Accuracy Medium-60
Throw Accuracy Long-80
Throw on the Run-90 (Gets boosted because of HOF status and Intangibles)
Throw Under Pressure-90 (Gets boosted/part of his intangibles)
Break Sack-86
Play Action-90 (Gets Boosted/part of his intangibles)

Speed: 72

Acceleration: 79

Agility: 70

Awareness: 77

Carrying: 62 (80 career fumbles and had 4 years with the Lions where he reached 8 or more. 13 fumbles in 1950 alone)

BC Vision: 84

Stiff Arm: 64

Break tackle: 74

Trucking: 44

Spin Move: 66

Juke Move: 70

Change of Direction-68 (Played in the 40's & 50's and this may still be too generous for him)

Injury: 90 (Only missed 30 games over a 15 year career)

Stamina: 93

Strength: 65

Toughness: 98 (Tough SOB for his size/played through pain and hangovers often LOL)

Attributes:

Throw Style-Traditional 2

QB Player Style-Scrambler

Throw Ball Away-NO

Sense Pressure-Trigger Happy

Force Passes-Balanced (He would often push the ball downfield and into coverage)

Fights for Extra Yards: Yes

Covers the Ball: Never

High Motor: YES

Penalty: Undisciplined

Kicking Ratings (He actually handled primary Kicking duties 4 times in his career finishing with a career 68% rate)

Kick Power-74 (Longest Made FG was 37 yards in his career)
Kick Accuracy-68

[Lionsfan032897]

Re: Help with ratings and attributes for Greg Landry

Bobby Layne (The Blonde Bomber)

https://vault.si.com/vault/1957/12/02/lambs-into-lions

"Layne is not the best passer in the league by a pretty long margin," a Detroit observer remarked the other day. "He's certainly not the best runner, either. But he damn sure is the best winner."

https://www.vintagedetroit.com/twelv...-legend-lions/
Now, oddly, it was Layne’s running that won over fans. Disdaining a facemask and hip, knee, and thigh pads, he often took a pounding lugging the ball up field, but bounced up after every tackle. By the end of the 1952 season only eight other players in the league had gained more yards on the ground. “If his sinewy legs carry Detroit to the divisional playoff or, perchance, to the championship, Detroit will have to dust off a permanent place for a new favorite,” Spoelstra wrote.

Throw Power-89 (Was a College pitcher had a real good arm but not great)

Completed only 49% of his passes throughout his career/But he had great intangibles
Throw Accuracy Short-68
Throw Accuracy Medium-60
Throw Accuracy Long-80
Throw on the Run-90 (Gets boosted because of HOF status and Intangibles)
Throw Under Pressure-90 (Gets boosted/part of his intangibles)
Break Sack-86
Play Action-90 (Gets Boosted/part of his intangibles)

Speed: 72

Acceleration: 79

Agility: 70

Awareness: 77

Carrying: 62 (80 career fumbles and had 4 years with the Lions where he reached 8 or more. 13 fumbles in 1950 alone)

BC Vision: 84

Stiff Arm: 64

Break tackle: 74

Trucking: 44

Spin Move: 66

Juke Move: 70

Change of Direction-68 (Played in the 40's & 50's and this may still be too generous for him)

Injury: 90 (Only missed 30 games over a 15 year career)

Stamina: 93

Strength: 65

Toughness: 98 (Tough SOB for his size/played through pain and hangovers often LOL)

Attributes:

Throw Style-Traditional 2

QB Player Style-Scrambler

Throw Ball Away-NO

Sense Pressure-Trigger Happy

Force Passes-Balanced (He would often push the ball downfield and into coverage)

Fights for Extra Yards: Yes

Covers the Ball: Never

High Motor: YES

Penalty: Undisciplined

Kicking Ratings (He actually handled primary Kicking duties 4 times in his career finishing with a career 68% rate)

Kick Power-74 (Longest Made FG was 37 yards in his career)
Kick Accuracy-68

It's not complete, but here is my all time Lions roster so far.

QB
Bobby Layne
Matthew Stafford
Greg Landry

HB
Barry Sanders
Billy Sims
Doak Walker
Earl “Dutch” Clark
Mel Farr
Bob Hoernschemeyer
Byron “Whizzer” White
Frankie Sinkwich

FB
Cory Schlesinger
Nick Pietrosante
LeRoy “Ace” Gutowsky

WR
Calvin Johnson
Herman Moore
Gail Cogdill
Mel Gray
Terry Barr
Dorne Dibble
Earl McCullouch

TE
Charlie Sanders
Cloyce Box
Leon Hart

LT
Lou Creekmur
Lomas Brown

LG
Harley Sewell
John “Socko” Wiethe

C
Alex Wojciechowicz
Ed Flanagan
Kevin Glover
Don Muhlbach

RG
John Gordy
Gover “Ox” Emerson
Dick Stanfel

RT
George Christensen

LE
Robert Porcher

RE
Al Baker

DT
Alex Karras
Roger Brown
Doug English
Les Bingaman
Ndamukong Suh

MLB
Joe Schmidt
Chris Spielman
Mike Lucci

ROLB
Wayne Walker

CB
Lem Barney
Dick LeBeau
Jim David
Dick “Night Train” Lane

FS
Jack Christiansen
Bennie Blades
Don Doll

SS
Yale Lary

K
Jason Hanson
Eddie Murray

P
Jim Arnold

[Phantom Fighter]

Help with ratings and attributes for Greg Landry

These rating suggestions look very good to me as true ratings within maddens version of translating ratings to football.

One major question that needs to be asked when creating any roster especially one that crosses era is how do you want to compare players from different eras?

Unfortunately if you use true ratings the QB hall of famers from the golden age or prior to AFL NFL merger is going to have maddens OVR much lower (like a low end starter or even a backup on some modern teams). This is true for speed as well for most players.

If you watch any video you will see that Night Train Lane was much faster than those he played against in his “era” similar to Deion Sanders vs his era however in true ratings Deion would still be at 98 or 99 all time but Lane would fall back to a 89 or 90. So do you want TRUE ratings to show that back up WRs of today could run past Lane or do you want them based on ERA so the most accurate passers of their era are in line with the most accurate of today and fast back then = fast for this roster and slightly below average in 2022?


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[Playmakers]

Re: Help with ratings and attributes for Greg Landry

These rating suggestions look very good to me as true ratings within maddens version of translating ratings to football.

One major question that needs to be asked when creating any roster especially one that crosses era is how do you want to compare players from different eras?

Unfortunately if you use true ratings the QB hall of famers from the golden age or prior to AFL NFL merger is going to have maddens OVR much lower (like a low end starter or even a backup on some modern teams). This is true for speed as well for most players.

If you watch any video you will see that Night Train Lane was much faster than those he played against in his “era” similar to Deion Sanders vs his era however in true ratings Deion would still be at 98 or 99 all time but Lane would fall back to a 89 or 90. So do you want TRUE ratings to show that back up WRs of today could run past Lane or do you want them based on ERA so the most accurate passers of their era are in line with the most accurate of today and fast back then = fast for this roster and slightly below average in 2022?


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Yeah that's why I don't like doing All Time rosters

I'll do all decade rosters keeping guys within the era they played and the guys they played against.

On a regular EA roster as you mentioned Landry wouldn't have high enough ratings to start on EA's default rosters.

But if you created a roster with him playing vs only the QB's of that era he'll stack up in overall ratings very well.