Cardinal-Gate?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I figured that this will be an interesting and unique situation for MLB and I am personally curious as to: (1) was Luhnow dumb enough to use the same passwords he used at STL? (2) what is the motive, if allegations are true, for the Cards? Is it from a purely competitive edge standpoint (ala the Patriots) or is the a vindictive element to this as well? (3) after all the details are brought to light, I really wonder what the punishment might be in a "corporate espionage" case in baseball...draft picks? fines? other?

[Master Live 013]

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Nice case test for the new Commissioner.

[jb12780]

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Nevermind it looked like a shop. I saw a picture of Bill at Spring Training with the cards.

Crazy situation.



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[TripleCrown9]

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Isn't hacking a federal offence in some places? Like, can't the guy that did it get in some deep trouble?

[jmillhimes]

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WOW!!!!!Hopefully this is not confirmed to be true

[Majingir]

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Just makes you wonder what else might be going on not just in MLB, but all sports. Pats caught cheating twice, all that stuff happening regarding FIFA, and now this?

Who else is cheating?!

[KMRblue1027]

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This isn't even cheating, not in the normal sense. This is an actual criminal offense.

[Master Live 013]

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It is always advisable to include the pertinent news source:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sp...-fbi.html?_r=0

[ImTellinTim]

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This isn't even cheating, not in the normal sense. This is an actual criminal offense.

It's both. A bunch of leaked internal conversations were posted on Anonbin around this time last year - which is what I'm sure kicked off the investigation. Now it's been traced back to the Cardinals? Uh oh.

http://deadspin.com/leaked-10-months-of-the-houston-astros-internal-trade-1597951970

If a mod would prefer this discussed in the off topic thread, then by all means remove this thread.

I figured that this will be an interesting and unique situation for MLB and I am personally curious as to: (1) was Luhnow dumb enough to use the same passwords he used at STL? (2) what is the motive, if allegations are true, for the Cards? Is it from a purely competitive edge standpoint (ala the Patriots) or is the a vindictive element to this as well? (3) after all the details are brought to light, I really wonder what the punishment might be in a "corporate espionage" case in baseball...draft picks? fines? other?

Revocation of franchise and relocation IMO.

[Master Live 013]

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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-l...leged-hacking/

[WaitTilNextYear]

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This isn't even cheating, not in the normal sense. This is an actual criminal offense.

I think the details are still a bit murky at this point. I am also no legal scholar, but one of the intriguing parts of this news is that you'd figure penalties could range from small fines and a slap on the wrist to jail time. It would probably depend on what the actual facts are and charges made are, if any.

[Chip Douglass]

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Yup, it's good-ole fashioned industrial espionage.

At least people will stop pontificating about the "Cardinal Way" for the foreseeable future.

[Master Live 013]

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From the Fangraphs article:

"While some are understandably comparing Tuesday’s news to the NFL’s recent “SpyGate” scandal – in which the New England Patriots were accused of impermissibly videotaping the New York Jets coaches’ hand signals during a 2007 game – if true, the Cardinals’ alleged hacking would, of course, be much more serious. Beyond just league-imposed penalties, the hacking allegations carry the possibility of criminal prosecution, not just for the Cardinals employees involved in the breach, but potentially for the organization as a whole."

"Notably, however, this maximum sentence would apply per offense, meaning that if the hackers were shown to have illegally accessed the Astros’ computers on more than one occasion, each separate intrusion would constitute a separate offense, each carrying a potential five-year jail sentence and monetary fine."

"In addition to the CFAA, the alleged hacking may have also violated the Economic Espionage Act of 1996, which criminalizes the theft or misappropriation of trade secrets. The data allegedly accessed by the Cardinals would appear to satisfy the legal definition of a trade secret, which covers any information that provides a business with a competitive advantage over its competitors and is not generally known by the public (for example, the recipe for Coca-Cola). The Astros’ proprietary statistical analysis and internal scouting reports would almost certainly qualify as trade secrets under this definition."

"As a result, the government could potentially choose to charge the perpetrators with criminal violations of the EEA as well. Under the EEA, anyone who steals, copies, or downloads someone else’s trade secret information without permission faces a monetary fine and possible jail sentence of up to 10 years in prison per offense."

"Perhaps more significantly, however, the EEA would also potentially allow the government to charge the entire Cardinals organization with criminal activity. As Section (b) of the law provides, “Any organization that commits any offense described in subsection (a) shall be fined not more than $5,000,000.“"


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[KMRblue1027]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">in keeping with baseball tradition, a Houston exec should walk into the STL offices and hit their best front office guy with a fastball</p>&mdash; Brandon McCarthy (@BMcCarthy32) <a href="https://twitter.com/BMcCarthy32/status/610872801290022912">June 16, 2015</a></blockquote>

[TripleCrown9]

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From the Fangraphs article:

"While some are understandably comparing Tuesday’s news to the NFL’s recent “SpyGate” scandal – in which the New England Patriots were accused of impermissibly videotaping the New York Jets coaches’ hand signals during a 2007 game – if true, the Cardinals’ alleged hacking would, of course, be much more serious. Beyond just league-imposed penalties, the hacking allegations carry the possibility of criminal prosecution, not just for the Cardinals employees involved in the breach, but potentially for the organization as a whole."

"Notably, however, this maximum sentence would apply per offense, meaning that if the hackers were shown to have illegally accessed the Astros’ computers on more than one occasion, each separate intrusion would constitute a separate offense, each carrying a potential five-year jail sentence and monetary fine."

"In addition to the CFAA, the alleged hacking may have also violated the Economic Espionage Act of 1996, which criminalizes the theft or misappropriation of trade secrets. The data allegedly accessed by the Cardinals would appear to satisfy the legal definition of a trade secret, which covers any information that provides a business with a competitive advantage over its competitors and is not generally known by the public (for example, the recipe for Coca-Cola). The Astros’ proprietary statistical analysis and internal scouting reports would almost certainly qualify as trade secrets under this definition."

"As a result, the government could potentially choose to charge the perpetrators with criminal violations of the EEA as well. Under the EEA, anyone who steals, copies, or downloads someone else’s trade secret information without permission faces a monetary fine and possible jail sentence of up to 10 years in prison per offense."

"Perhaps more significantly, however, the EEA would also potentially allow the government to charge the entire Cardinals organization with criminal activity. As Section (b) of the law provides, “Any organization that commits any offense described in subsection (a) shall be fined not more than $5,000,000.“"


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The way I understood all that, which of course is incorrect on my part, is that everyone within the Cardinals organization faces at least 5 years in prison.

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