HoF ballot released...

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Quote: Originally Posted by snepp

But, but, but....Rice was the most fearedest hitter in the history of being feareded! Oops, time for me to leave the basement.

I don't have an argument for or against Rice, but using IBB as an indicator of how feared he was isn't really a good way to measure it.

We don't know the instances he faced, who was on base, or what the circumstances were. Looking at the stats a little more closely and you'll find that no one on that team ever had more than 11 IBB's from '76-'82 and there was a different leader every year.

In fact, Yaz collected the majority of his IBBs prior to Rice showing up.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Squint

I don't have an argument for or against Rice, but using IBB as an indicator of how feared he was isn't really a good way to measure it. We don't know the instances he faced, who was on base, or what the circumstances were. Looking at the stats a little more closely and you'll find that no one on that team ever had more than 11 IBB's from '76-'82 and there was a different leader every year. In fact, Yaz collected the majority of his IBBs prior to Rice showing up.

Intentional walks now-a-days measures that the bat is dangerous. It is used now, and it was used then.

I dont see how someone like Phil Rizzuto is in the hall with his numbers, but Rice is not, other than the media LOVED Phil (he was a great guy on and off I agree, but his numbers were not great), and they didnt like Rice.

But the fact of the matter is, the hall isnt there because you are a good Samaritan, it is there because you stood out in the game. And Rice stood out in the era of the "dead ball".

Just silly.

[snepp]

More dismantling of Shaughnessy's ridiculousness.

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives...ghnessy_at.php

I got a good laugh out of this, it's been over 20 years but it's no less accurate now.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bill James, from his 1985 Baseball Abstract

"Virtually all sportswriters, I suppose, believe that Jim Rice is an outstanding player. If you ask them how they know this, they'll tell you that they just know; I've seen him play. That's the difference in a nutshell between knowledge and bull****; knowledge is something that can be objectively demonstrated to be true, and bull**** is something that you just 'know.' If someone can actually demonstrate that Jim Rice is a great ballplayer, I'd be most interested to see the evidence."