HoF ballot released...

[caseyd]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sportsforever

Not that I think he should be in, but you do realize that Roger was a two time MVP (1960/1961). In fact, I think he might be the only two time MVP not in the HOF.

Dale Murphy

[Tomahawk]

Quote: Originally Posted by bluengold34

I know injuries hit him hard toward the latter part of his career, I will never understand how Don is not in. He had 222 HR's, 1100 rbi's, lifetime fld % of .993. He won 9 gold gloves, 3 Silver slugger awards and the MVP in 85( his best year in the Majors). Maybe I just think too much of "Donnie Baseball", but in my mind this guy is a hall of famer.

Mattingly had four excellent season, but due to injuries the rest of his career he was no better than Mark Grace. Mattingly is not a HOF'er.

[Tomahawk]

Quote: Originally Posted by stroehmerbasebal

Btw, left off of this list of players up for election is the 2nd all-time saves leader, Lee Smith. A definite Hall of Famer in my book.

Lee Smith being 2nd of the saves list is a little misleading. I have no problem with guys like Gossage, Sutter, and Fingers being in the HOF because they pitched multiple innings to get saves while Lee Smith was a one inning saver. You can't compare Smith's saves totals to those guys because of the difference in the way they were used.

Wait and see where Smith ranks on the list of saves when some of the current relievers retire like Hoffman, Rivera, Wagner, Nathan, etc. before judging Smith as Hall worthy.

[MassNole]

Quote: Originally Posted by nyisles16

• Harold Baines • Jay Bell • Bert Blyleven • David Cone • Andre Dawson • Ron Gant • Mark Grace • Rickey Henderson • Tommy John • Don Mattingly • Mark McGwire • Jack Morris • Dale Murphy • Jesse Orosco • Dave Parker • Dan Plesac • Tim Raines • Jim Rice (final year of eligibility) • Lee Smith • Alan Trammell • Greg Vaughn • Mo Vaughn • Matt Williams Not an appeasing bunch by any means.. Henderson gets in, and maybe Blyleven.. (outside shot maybe of Rice), but I don't see anyone getting the votes needed to get in.

Ricky Henderson should be in without any question. No one will ever touch his stolen bases record, that is enough for me, not to mention the other facets of his game.

As for the others, well it's the same played out arguments for guys like Jim Rice, Andre Dawson, Jack Morris, and Bert Blyleven. Yes they were all very good players, but when you think of the greats of the game, none of them really come to mind unless you were a fan of their teams. Mark McGwire though is being screwed over by the voters. Yes he used PEDs but they weren't against the rules of MLB at the time, so he really wasn't doing anything wrong by the rules of the game.

[Stroehms]

Quote: Originally Posted by MassNole

Ricky Henderson should be in without any question. No one will ever touch his stolen bases record, that is enough for me, not to mention the other facets of his game. As for the others, well it's the same played out arguments for guys like Jim Rice, Andre Dawson, Jack Morris, and Bert Blyleven. Yes they were all very good players, but when you think of the greats of the game, none of them really come to mind unless you were a fan of their teams. Mark McGwire though is being screwed over by the voters. Yes he used PEDs but they weren't against the rules of MLB at the time, so he really wasn't doing anything wrong by the rules of the game.

+1 Mr. Kind-sir.

McGwire is in my HOF, so he should be in the MLB HOF

[CMH]

I guess for me, I never cared much about the steroids/enhancements/whatever for McGwire because I don't consider him a Hall of Famer.

I don't see anything that great about his career with the exception of hitting close to 600 homeruns.

Maybe if he had other great talents, but he didn't. If your one talent is hitting homeruns and you couldn't even get to the 600+ mark, then were you really that great to begin with? I can't say so.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

I guess for me, I never cared much about the steroids/enhancements/whatever for McGwire because I don't consider him a Hall of Famer. I don't see anything that great about his career with the exception of hitting close to 600 homeruns. Maybe if he had other great talents, but he didn't. If your one talent is hitting homeruns and you couldn't even get to the 600+ mark, then were you really that great to begin with? I can't say so.

Babe Ruth?

[Stroehms]

Quote: Originally Posted by EnigmaNemesis

Babe Ruth?

Uh, Babe Ruth hit .393 one year and had a career average of .342

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/play...php?p=ruthba01


McGwire didn't have those numbers but he was part of baseball's resurrection.