HoF ballot released...

[rsox]

Plus Babe Ruth was better offensively than whole teams some years.

[Tomahawk]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

I guess for me, I never cared much about the steroids/enhancements/whatever for McGwire because I don't consider him a Hall of Famer. I don't see anything that great about his career with the exception of hitting close to 600 homeruns. Maybe if he had other great talents, but he didn't. If your one talent is hitting homeruns and you couldn't even get to the 600+ mark, then were you really that great to begin with? I can't say so.

Must be a bunch of not so great guys with below average talents playing baseball the last 100 or so years considering when McGwire retired only Aaron, Ruth, and Mays had ever hit over 600 homers in their career. Saying someone is not great or talented because they didn't hit 600 homers is stretching it quite a bit.

[CMH]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tomahawk

Must be a bunch of not so great guys with below average talents playing baseball the last 100 or so years considering when McGwire retired only Aaron, Ruth, and Mays had ever hit over 600 homers in their career. Saying someone is not great or talented because they didn't hit 600 homers is stretching it quite a bit.

Yes, it is stretching it. I agree.

That being said, Aaron, Ruth, Mays were amazingly talented players. They could have hit 400 homeruns and still have been amazing players. Ted Williams didn't touch the 600 homerun mark and no one holds that against him because he was just an amazing talent.

All I'm trying to say is that McGwire was one-dimensional and I don't see him as a Hall of Famer. 600 homeruns or not, I can't vote for a one-dimensional player.

Also, I never said McGwire wasn't talented. I said he didn't have other talents.

[Stroehms]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

Yes, it is stretching it. I agree. That being said, Aaron, Ruth, Mays were amazingly talented players. They could have hit 400 homeruns and still have been amazing players. Ted Williams didn't touch the 600 homerun mark and no one holds that against him because he was just an amazing talent. All I'm trying to say is that McGwire was one-dimensional and I don't see him as a Hall of Famer. 600 homeruns or not, I can't vote for a one-dimensional player. Also, I never said McGwire wasn't talented. I said he didn't have other talents.

He was a Gold Glover.

[CMH]

Quote: Originally Posted by stroehmerbasebal

He was a Gold Glover.

Oh *dagger to the heart*

I do not get involved in Gold Glove discussions.

[Tomahawk]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

Oh *dagger to the heart* I do not get involved in Gold Glove discussions.

So you only acknowledge things that support your side and ignore the facts that might get in the way? Like debating something with a woman that is a sure way to win every time.

[Sandman42]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tomahawk

So you only acknowledge things that support your side and ignore the facts that might get in the way? Like debating something with a woman that is a sure way to win every time.

Gold Glove = most meaningless award in the history of meaningless awards

[Tomahawk]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sandman42

Gold Glove = most meaningless award in the history of meaningless awards

How about these meaningless talents for McGwire since fielding doesn't matter?

Career Rankings...
On Base Percentage: .394 - 77th best and not bad for a career .263 hitter
Slugging Percentage: .588 - 9th best
OPS: .982 - 11th best

[Sarcasm]Too bad he didn't have Jose Canseco's speed and Nolan Ryan's fastball ..... he could have been a great one.[/Sarcasm]