Minimum age requirement

[TheProfessional]

Anyone else support a minimum age requirement for entering the NBA draft, like the one the NFL has? I really hope when the next collective bargaining agreement is made that they institute something like this.

I've been watching a few games here and there and i've come to realize that I really can't stand the style of play most NBA players play. Its a shame when someone like Tim Duncan is applauded for playing the game so fundamentally sound. To me that's like saying i should be given an award for not carjacking anyone this week. Everyone should play the game fundamentally sound. That's their craft. They should know and want to learn everything about it. Not be content with dribbling and dunking. It just drives me nuts that so few players know how to work within the framework of a team. Not to mention can't hit a jumpshot to save their lives or play defense.

I think an age limit of 21 would be perfect, or follow the NFL rule of three years out of highschool. Most people know that three year difference is just HUGE. Not only physically, but mentally as well. And this is where i think it will help the NBA greatly. We've all heard it time and time again, that the NBA is just as much a mental game as it is a physical one. So i say force the highschool kids to learn the mental part of the game before they make the jump. And what better place than the NCAA? Because let's face it, at this point many NCAA sports have just become glorified minor league systems for professional sports.

Anyway, just wanted to see who agrees with me on this and vent my displeasure with some of the garbage i've seen early on in the NBA season.

[jplaya2023]

Re: Minimum age requirement

Anyone else support a minimum age requirement for entering the NBA draft, like the one the NFL has? I really hope when the next collective bargaining agreement is made that they institute something like this.

I've been watching a few games here and there and i've come to realize that I really can't stand the style of play most NBA players play. Its a shame when someone like Tim Duncan is applauded for playing the game so fundamentally sound. To me that's like saying i should be given an award for not carjacking anyone this week. Everyone should play the game fundamentally sound. That's their craft. They should know and want to learn everything about it. Not be content with dribbling and dunking. It just drives me nuts that so few players know how to work within the framework of a team. Not to mention can't hit a jumpshot to save their lives or play defense.

I think an age limit of 21 would be perfect, or follow the NFL rule of three years out of highschool. Most people know that three year difference is just HUGE. Not only physically, but mentally as well. And this is where i think it will help the NBA greatly. We've all heard it time and time again, that the NBA is just as much a mental game as it is a physical one. So i say force the highschool kids to learn the mental part of the game before they make the jump. And what better place than the NCAA? Because let's face it, at this point many NCAA sports have just become glorified minor league systems for professional sports.

Anyway, just wanted to see who agrees with me on this and vent my displeasure with some of the garbage i've seen early on in the NBA season.

nope if a kid's ready to play and makes the jump they got every right to be drafted. Plus its not like a team is forcved to draft somenoe underaged anyway

no age requirement

[jplaya2023]

Re: Minimum age requirement

Anyone else support a minimum age requirement for entering the NBA draft, like the one the NFL has? I really hope when the next collective bargaining agreement is made that they institute something like this.

I've been watching a few games here and there and i've come to realize that I really can't stand the style of play most NBA players play. Its a shame when someone like Tim Duncan is applauded for playing the game so fundamentally sound. To me that's like saying i should be given an award for not carjacking anyone this week. Everyone should play the game fundamentally sound. That's their craft. They should know and want to learn everything about it. Not be content with dribbling and dunking. It just drives me nuts that so few players know how to work within the framework of a team. Not to mention can't hit a jumpshot to save their lives or play defense.

I think an age limit of 21 would be perfect, or follow the NFL rule of three years out of highschool. Most people know that three year difference is just HUGE. Not only physically, but mentally as well. And this is where i think it will help the NBA greatly. We've all heard it time and time again, that the NBA is just as much a mental game as it is a physical one. So i say force the highschool kids to learn the mental part of the game before they make the jump. And what better place than the NCAA? Because let's face it, at this point many NCAA sports have just become glorified minor league systems for professional sports.

Anyway, just wanted to see who agrees with me on this and vent my displeasure with some of the garbage i've seen early on in the NBA season.

nope if a kid's ready to play and makes the jump they got every right to be drafted. Plus its not like a team is forcved to draft somenoe underaged anyway

no age requirement

[nkhera1]

Re: Minimum age requirement

i think the age limit should stay the same. Its the stupid teams fault for drafting the players. why should a guy like lebron not be able to play because other players are bad.

[nkhera1]

Re: Minimum age requirement

i think the age limit should stay the same. Its the stupid teams fault for drafting the players. why should a guy like lebron not be able to play because other players are bad.

[WTF]

Re: Minimum age requirement

Nope. Seeing as how today's younger players are more physically developed, I don't see a problem with the age of them. Lebron James, Dwight Howard, etc are ready for the league. I think as the league progresses, the infatuation with younger guys (high school) will die down, and teams will want to adopt more of a win-now philosophy, instead of drafting on potential. Too many teams have been burned by picking young guys, and are starting to gear more towards proven players. If they do pick a high school guy, they have been pretty much can't miss prospects.

If a team wants a high school guy, then by all means, they should be able to pick them up. I see no reason to penalize a young talent just because they are young. If that would have been in effect, we still wouldn't have Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, etc, who are all making a huge impact on the league. Of course that is just my opinion. I am sure that others will disagree, but I really like the league right now. Especially now that Lebron can shoot :y4:

[WTF]

Re: Minimum age requirement

Nope. Seeing as how today's younger players are more physically developed, I don't see a problem with the age of them. Lebron James, Dwight Howard, etc are ready for the league. I think as the league progresses, the infatuation with younger guys (high school) will die down, and teams will want to adopt more of a win-now philosophy, instead of drafting on potential. Too many teams have been burned by picking young guys, and are starting to gear more towards proven players. If they do pick a high school guy, they have been pretty much can't miss prospects.

If a team wants a high school guy, then by all means, they should be able to pick them up. I see no reason to penalize a young talent just because they are young. If that would have been in effect, we still wouldn't have Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, etc, who are all making a huge impact on the league. Of course that is just my opinion. I am sure that others will disagree, but I really like the league right now. Especially now that Lebron can shoot :y4:

[RubenDouglas]

Re: Minimum age requirement

i agree about a limit.

let the guys develop in college.. everyone is so concerned about money. its both the GM's fault and the players, and the NBA should do something about it, whether the teams and or GMs have any say in what is done.

[RubenDouglas]

Re: Minimum age requirement

i agree about a limit.

let the guys develop in college.. everyone is so concerned about money. its both the GM's fault and the players, and the NBA should do something about it, whether the teams and or GMs have any say in what is done.

[TheProfessional]

Re: Minimum age requirement

Nope. Seeing as how today's younger players are more physically developed, I don't see a problem with the age of them. Lebron James, Dwight Howard, etc are ready for the league. I think as the league progresses, the infatuation with younger guys (high school) will die down, and teams will want to adopt more of a win-now philosophy, instead of drafting on potential. Too many teams have been burned by picking young guys, and are starting to gear more towards proven players. If they do pick a high school guy, they have been pretty much can't miss prospects.

If a team wants a high school guy, then by all means, they should be able to pick them up. I see no reason to penalize a young talent just because they are young. If that would have been in effect, we still wouldn't have Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, etc, who are all making a huge impact on the league. Of course that is just my opinion. I am sure that others will disagree, but I really like the league right now. Especially now that Lebron can shoot :y4:

I see your point and I agree with you in theory. If a kid's ready, you're right. He has every right to make that jump and play. But time and time again we've seen these kids aren't ready. Most of the kids that came out in this draft, the scouts say, "will take a few years to develop" "has the potential to become a good player". Very rarely have i read a scout say a highschool player is ready. How many highschool kids actually get drafted and contribute?

I see a lot of people bringing up LeBron James. That kind of players comes along maybe once in a lifetime. And you brought it up yourself, he had the physical make up to make the jump. A lot of these kids don't. As for Carmelo, he played in a the NCAA tournament and won against high quality competition. And was definitely more "mature" and ready for the jump than a highschool kid.

As far as your opinion of the infatuation with younger kids dying down. I think you're wrong there. Just take a look at the most recent draft. The most highschool kids taken in the first round ever. One of the main reason i don't see it dying down is that if you're a GM and you have a chance to draft one of these kids that might be able to develop into something huge and pass up on him for a proven but lesser talent. You'll be forever known as the guy who passed up on so and so. GM's don't want that stigma. So they'll risk taking a guy that's unproven but has a HUGE upside over someone who is proven but just "good". That's exactly the reason someone like Jameer Nelson was drafted so low.

Even if there is never an age requirement, i do think something has to change in regards to the subpar gameplay. I know i sound nostalgic by saying this but the game now is no where as good as it used to be back in the day when the NBA was the "NBA".

[TheProfessional]

Re: Minimum age requirement

Nope. Seeing as how today's younger players are more physically developed, I don't see a problem with the age of them. Lebron James, Dwight Howard, etc are ready for the league. I think as the league progresses, the infatuation with younger guys (high school) will die down, and teams will want to adopt more of a win-now philosophy, instead of drafting on potential. Too many teams have been burned by picking young guys, and are starting to gear more towards proven players. If they do pick a high school guy, they have been pretty much can't miss prospects.

If a team wants a high school guy, then by all means, they should be able to pick them up. I see no reason to penalize a young talent just because they are young. If that would have been in effect, we still wouldn't have Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, etc, who are all making a huge impact on the league. Of course that is just my opinion. I am sure that others will disagree, but I really like the league right now. Especially now that Lebron can shoot :y4:

I see your point and I agree with you in theory. If a kid's ready, you're right. He has every right to make that jump and play. But time and time again we've seen these kids aren't ready. Most of the kids that came out in this draft, the scouts say, "will take a few years to develop" "has the potential to become a good player". Very rarely have i read a scout say a highschool player is ready. How many highschool kids actually get drafted and contribute?

I see a lot of people bringing up LeBron James. That kind of players comes along maybe once in a lifetime. And you brought it up yourself, he had the physical make up to make the jump. A lot of these kids don't. As for Carmelo, he played in a the NCAA tournament and won against high quality competition. And was definitely more "mature" and ready for the jump than a highschool kid.

As far as your opinion of the infatuation with younger kids dying down. I think you're wrong there. Just take a look at the most recent draft. The most highschool kids taken in the first round ever. One of the main reason i don't see it dying down is that if you're a GM and you have a chance to draft one of these kids that might be able to develop into something huge and pass up on him for a proven but lesser talent. You'll be forever known as the guy who passed up on so and so. GM's don't want that stigma. So they'll risk taking a guy that's unproven but has a HUGE upside over someone who is proven but just "good". That's exactly the reason someone like Jameer Nelson was drafted so low.

Even if there is never an age requirement, i do think something has to change in regards to the subpar gameplay. I know i sound nostalgic by saying this but the game now is no where as good as it used to be back in the day when the NBA was the "NBA".

[HMcCoy]

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I agree.

The problem isn't the highschoolers, though. The sucess rate for those kids is much, MUCH higher than the college kids...thats a fact. The real issue is that HS players being taken as lotto picks are influencing a ton of unprepared college kids to leave early. They assume that if some un-tested HS kid can make the leap, then certainly 1 or 2 standout years in the NCAA qualifies them for the big dollars as well. Thats what has truly watered-down the talent pool. Only 1 out of every 4-5 HS guys flops totally. In a 60 pick draft, only 25-30 players ever make an impact. A vast majority of those remaining guys who flame out DID go to school. The underlying problem is that everybody wants to get paid. NOW!...

But don't throw the "baby" out with the bath water...Kobe, T-Mac, KG, 'Bron....these guys all developed significantly faster in an NBA program, practicing against NBA players, than they would have dominating college guys. There are exceptions (Diop would have done well to gain that confidence), but overall, we are now reaping the benefit of patience with those kids.

IMO, expansion has had just as big an impact on the NBA product. If you were to contract the 7 recent expansion teams, and re-distribute thier players among the remaining teams, you'de see a much stronger, more talented league. It would push borderline starters to the bench, replacing these borderline youngsters who wouldn't have made it to the league 12 years ago....

All that being said, if its sound, fundamental ball you crave, the European leagues are televised by some direct TV providers...their game may be more to your tastes, or perhaps the WNBA. To complain about the NBA, but NOT support the Euros, or ladies league would be a bit hypocritical.

Personally, I love NBA basketball just as much as I ever have.

[HMcCoy]

Re: Minimum age requirement

I agree.

The problem isn't the highschoolers, though. The sucess rate for those kids is much, MUCH higher than the college kids...thats a fact. The real issue is that HS players being taken as lotto picks are influencing a ton of unprepared college kids to leave early. They assume that if some un-tested HS kid can make the leap, then certainly 1 or 2 standout years in the NCAA qualifies them for the big dollars as well. Thats what has truly watered-down the talent pool. Only 1 out of every 4-5 HS guys flops totally. In a 60 pick draft, only 25-30 players ever make an impact. A vast majority of those remaining guys who flame out DID go to school. The underlying problem is that everybody wants to get paid. NOW!...

But don't throw the "baby" out with the bath water...Kobe, T-Mac, KG, 'Bron....these guys all developed significantly faster in an NBA program, practicing against NBA players, than they would have dominating college guys. There are exceptions (Diop would have done well to gain that confidence), but overall, we are now reaping the benefit of patience with those kids.

IMO, expansion has had just as big an impact on the NBA product. If you were to contract the 7 recent expansion teams, and re-distribute thier players among the remaining teams, you'de see a much stronger, more talented league. It would push borderline starters to the bench, replacing these borderline youngsters who wouldn't have made it to the league 12 years ago....

All that being said, if its sound, fundamental ball you crave, the European leagues are televised by some direct TV providers...their game may be more to your tastes, or perhaps the WNBA. To complain about the NBA, but NOT support the Euros, or ladies league would be a bit hypocritical.

Personally, I love NBA basketball just as much as I ever have.

[WTF]

Re: Minimum age requirement

I guess HMcCoy summed it up for me right there. While I do agree that GM's don't want to pass up "that guy" who could turn in to something huge, the majority of the high schoolers who are taken high are worth the pick and are ready to make a contribution. But like always, HMcCoy is on the same page, and was able to describe what I was trying to say :y4:

And you yourself have some pretty strong valid points. And the NBA is not what it used to be, but I really like the change of pace I am seeing right now. I watched and loved the NBA in the late 80's early 90's, but I am more drawn in right now than I have ever been.

And just because of the wording "And was definitely more "mature" regarding Carmelo :y4:. I know what you were talking about, but he is probably as mature as a 12 year old.

But you do make valid points, but I think the NBA is getting some good fast paced action with the new age, more athletic young guns. All I know is I love watching right now, moreso than from years 1995-2001. Just my opinion.

[WTF]

Re: Minimum age requirement

I guess HMcCoy summed it up for me right there. While I do agree that GM's don't want to pass up "that guy" who could turn in to something huge, the majority of the high schoolers who are taken high are worth the pick and are ready to make a contribution. But like always, HMcCoy is on the same page, and was able to describe what I was trying to say :y4:

And you yourself have some pretty strong valid points. And the NBA is not what it used to be, but I really like the change of pace I am seeing right now. I watched and loved the NBA in the late 80's early 90's, but I am more drawn in right now than I have ever been.

And just because of the wording "And was definitely more "mature" regarding Carmelo :y4:. I know what you were talking about, but he is probably as mature as a 12 year old.

But you do make valid points, but I think the NBA is getting some good fast paced action with the new age, more athletic young guns. All I know is I love watching right now, moreso than from years 1995-2001. Just my opinion.