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[The 24th Letter]

Quote: Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan

Serious thought, I wonder if there are other players(Let's say Elite Players/Superstars) who did "everything" for their team during their prime years, played heavy minutes(Keep it around 35-40 a night)and if so, how'd there career turned out in the end?

I'd like to know this too, I'd like to know what "does everything" entails as well...

[23]

Tracy Mcgrady was one

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by ex carrabba fan

MJ wasn't asked to do everything his first 10 years? That's great that you find it funny about the top 5 in minutes, my point was that people were complaining about Bron's minutes when he wasn't even in the top 5. That was surprising to me since he should be top 5 in minutes, he is the best player in the league and still relatively young. My point stands, if you don't think he should be top 5 in minutes you're not being realistic.

First 10 years? Really? First 10 years? From 84 to his first retirement in 94? So he was doing all the rebounding for the Bulls? He was guarding the best player on the other team every night? He was the one running the offense every night for the team? Scottie Pippen wasn't doing any of that at any point in Jordan's first 10 years? Horace Grant wasn't doing any of that at any point in Jordan's first 10 years? We really gotta go through this? Cause the numbers are right there to be seen.

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

Tracy Mcgrady was one

Grant Hill was another.

[ex carrabba fan]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

First 10 years? Really? First 10 years? From 84 to his first retirement in 94? So he was doing all the rebounding for the Bulls? He was guarding the best player on the other team every night? He was the one running the offense every night for the team? Scottie Pippen wasn't doing any of that at any point in Jordan's first 10 years? Horace Grant wasn't doing any of that at any point in Jordan's first 10 years? We really gotta go through this? Cause the numbers are right there to be seen.

Let me rephrase: MJ simply did everything his first 10 years. Asked or not asked, he did it all on both sides of the floor. He exerted as much energy as LeBron has his first 10 years. He took a beating, more of a beating than any other superstar the league has now. That evens the playing field in terms of the difference in size between Jordan and LeBron.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Grant Hill avg 39 minutes in his first 4 years(Pre Ankle Injuries) and then once the Ankle Issues popped up, it fell to 31 minutes in the next 13 seasons.

So I'd like to think that his decline was more due to not being healthy as opposed to playing too many minutes from age 22-25 now, lol.

And was T-Mac guarding SFs AND PFs while asked to score and rebound and do "everything" like Lebron does?

[ex carrabba fan]

Grant Hill was mis diagnosed and continued to play on a crippled ankle. Officials on the Pistons actually questioned if he was even hurt [since he was set to be a free agent that summer, people thought he was saving himself for a big payday]. I'd say that's a different situation.

[ex carrabba fan]

Here's an article on the Hill situation

Quote:

It's a shame that nobody seems to remember the genesis of what essentially put the kibosh on Hill's career. The pressure on him to not appear as if he had a case of senioritis was so great that he limped through an NBC-aired game against Philadelphia with what was obviously an ankle injury that needed weeks to heal, but the criticism about his impending free agency (a turn he did absolutely nothing to promote in-season, unlike James) was so strong that Hill played on.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,wp2209