Total QBR: Brees vs. Rodgers

[SportsTop]

This is our first look at tQBR for the 2011 season and the results are in from last night's match-up between Brees and Rodgers:

Rodgers: 91.1
Brees: 71.6

Here's a link to the full article on ESPN

My early thoughts.....tQBR is just as flawed as any other QB measuring system if it is going to punish Brees for a 4th & 1 incompletion that was his head coaches fault in play selection as well as having to face five and six defensive backs nearly all of the second half.

There are certain things you can't punish a QB for and tQBR looks to be incorporating that into its formula.

I'm also curious if Rodgers was punished for his team's last two drives in which he took an 8 yard sack and short yardage completion and checking down to Kuhn on their last drive for a completion that netted them zero yards in "crunch time".

There is no doubt Rodgers had a better night, but not to the tune of an "A" grade to a "C" grade.

[Palo20]

I will take Pro Football Focus and their numbers.

[Rancid Radio]

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I had decent hopes for this tQBR but this effectively kills them. Honestly, any grading system that gives Brees a C for his performance last night is flawed beyond belief although I do believe Rodgers had the better performance.

[kingkilla56]

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Anything ESPN tries to give to sports other than coverage is irrelevant. I cant believe they honestly thought people would give a damn about some system they made up to evaluate players.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I think there's some confusion. I believe above a 70 = MVP caliber game, not a "C" performance. A "C" performance would be a 50.

[Chrisksaint]

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Lol anyone who watched that game last night knew Brees was playing almost just as well Rodgers atleast the way I saw it apparently ESPN disagrees

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I'm more interested to see how the QBRs look after like half the season because then there will be time for the numbers to be dragged down. I mean, the highest QBR they've had in the past 5 years was an 82.3. If Brees ended the season with the QBR he had after one game, he'd have the 8th best season of any QB in the past 5 years, so again, the numbers say Brees had an outstanding game, just that Rodgers was money in the red zone and in the 1st quarter in building an early lead.

Note: I guess this kinda shuts up all the people that said QBR was flawed because you could suck for 3 quarters of a game and then dominate the 4th quarter and end up with a higher QBR than someone that dominated in the beginning and then played decent the rest of the way.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

I felt like Rodgers out played Brees. So it looks good to me.

Sent from Luke Skywalkers Evo

[SportsTop]

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I think there's some confusion. I believe above a 70 = MVP caliber game, not a "C" performance. A "C" performance would be a 50.

Alright, I'll rephrase:

Let's revisit this after week one is over and see if 10 other QBs (30% of the league) have better game then Brees had against Green Bay.

That's actually what tQBR is saying.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Alright, I'll rephrase:

Let's revisit this after week one is over and see if 10 other QBs (30% of the league) have better game then Brees had against Green Bay.

That's actually what tQBR is saying.

How exactly is it saying that at least 30% of the NFL's starting QBs are better than Brees?

[untrugby]

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the regular QB ratings were 132.1 for rodgers and 112.5 for brees so i dont think this total QBR is showing us anything extra. It will be interesting to see a Vick Total QBR for when he has a bad passing game but a good rushing game.

[Chrisksaint]

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Both ratings are still flawed imo. All I know is I saw 2 about equal QBs play a great game last night. Rodgers may have been more efficient, but that's kinda gonna happen when you play against the Saints secondary the way they played last night compared to Brees going up against the Packers secondary/pass rush.

[SportsTop]

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How exactly is it saying that at least 30% of the NFL's starting QBs are better than Brees?

Read the description from the article:

As a reminder, Total QBR is a quarterback rating that takes into account all contributions to his team’s scoring and winning. It then summarizes that into one number on a 0-100 scale that can be interpreted as a percentile. A score of 80 means his performance was better than 80 percent of all quarterback games. The average Total QBR is 50.0.

Now, whether that line means week to week or year to year, I don't know. But this line for the more detailed description only continues to solidify my argument:

That being said, the top values in a season tend to be about 75 and above, whereas the top values in a game are in the upper 90s. Aaron Rodgers might have gone 31-of-36 for 366 yards, with three passing TDs, another TD running, 19 first-down conversions, and eight conversions on third or fourth down in one game -- for a single-game Total QBR of 97.2 -- but he can't keep that up all year long. Pro Bowl-level performance for a season usually means a QBR of at least 65 or 70. We don't expect to see a season with a QBR in the 90s.

What that line tells me is that if Drew Brees had that exact game every week for an entire year, he would break every passing record for a single season, but his performance wouldn't be considered to be in the "top value".

I'll stand by my opinion that this system is pure garbage.

[Chrisksaint]

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What that line tells me is that if Drew Brees had that exact game every week for an entire year, he would break every passing record for a single season, but his performance wouldn't be considered to be in the "top value".

I'll stand by my opinion that this system is pure garbage.

Interesting thought. With the current QB rating if he had the exact same stats every game he'd have the exact same rating for every game right? Which therefore would like you said give him the highest QB rating ever for a season, break every record,etc.

However if he had these exact stats in every game using the TQBR that rating will be different each time due to the situations,etc they use.

[SportsTop]

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Interesting thought. With the current QB rating if he had the exact same stats every game he'd have the exact same rating for every game right? Which therefore would like you said give him the highest QB rating ever for a season, break every record,etc.

However if he had these exact stats in every game using the TQBR that rating will be different each time due to the situations,etc they use.

Put it into the context of him having the exact game and the value being the exact same for the entire year. I can't imagine a QB having a record setting, HOF type season and it even crack the top seven all time tQBR seasons of all time.

At least the old QB Rating was intuitive, while this isn't.