MVP Discussion Thread

[Rocky]

I figured it was inevitable so I'll get it started relatively early...

Although highly unlikely, JJ Watt would be my choice for MVP this season so far. After him it would be Rodgers, AP, then Ryan.

Ryan is the most likely choice when it's all said and done. I do think if Minny gets hot, Peterson could make a run as well as Rodgers if he continues this pace.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

You have to have Peyton Manning in the conversation.

The Vikings final record compared to other candidates will hurt Petersons chances

I got

Peyton Manning
Matt Ryan
Adrian Peterson
Aaron Rodgers
Big Ben

In that order right now.

For Ryan to win I feel like the Falcons can't lose more then two games because Manning's story will be too much to overcome. Many doubted him ever being able to play again an here he is leading the Broncos an putting up great numbers. It helps that Ryan out played Manning an best him tho.

Last thing

If your going to include JJ Watt then you have to include Charles Tillman. He's effected games just as much as Watt has an is playing at an elite level this year.

[Rocky]

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You have to have Peyton Manning in the conversation.

The Vikings final record compared to other candidates will hurt Petersons chances

I got

Peyton Manning
Matt Ryan
Adrian Peterson
Aaron Rodgers
Big Ben

In that order right now.

For Ryan to win I feel like the Falcons can't lose more then two games because Manning's story will be too much to overcome. Many doubted him ever being able to play again an here he is leading the Broncos an putting up great numbers. It helps that Ryan out played Manning an best him tho.

Wow....I did forget all about Peyton. As far as Tillman, I did consider him but I have a hard time when Revis didn't get it a few years ago when he was playing historically great football at CB. Not really a good reason when thinking in terms of this year, but I still feel like Revis is so head and shoulders above any CB in the NFL that it's hard to justify giving the MVP to another one.

[SPTO]

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I don't quite understand all the people screaming that Andrew Luck should be MVP. I mean, yes he's doing amazing things and the Colts are outperforming expectations but he's only a rookie and his efficiency isn't the greatest. He'd get the OROY for sure though.

As for my choices for MVP? Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning, JJ Watt and probably Charles Tillman but it's awfully hard for a defensive player to win that award so those two may be long shots.

[StanleyStutters]

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Matt Ryan - Being the QB of the only undefeated team automatically gets you on the list. On top of that he has been great all year long. If Atlanta runs the table (still a looooong way to go) I can't see anyone else winning it, but even if they don't he'll get some serious consideration.

Peyton Manning - He's completing nearly 70% of his passes, leads the league in passer rating, completion % and yards per attempt, and he's top 5 in yards and TDs. On top of that he's coming back from a major injury and has Denver in a close race for a top #2 seed in the AFC. If Atlanta doesn't run the table I think Peyton has the best chance of winning.

Adrian Peterson - He's averaging nearly 6 yards per carry and is a huge reason why Minnesota is 5-4. If they can grab a playoff spot it'll help his cause, but the NFL is such a QB-driven league I think it'll be tough for him to win.

There's still a few more guys who I think can win it and deserve consideration, but these are my top 3 right now.

[jth1331]

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You have two guys coming back from injuries that are playing exceptional football in Manning and Peterson, Matt Ryan is playing well too.
Thing with Ryan though, I have a hard time putting him over Manning or Aaron Rodgers to be honest. I don't see how Ryan is playing better, or means more to his team, than those two QB's.
Peterson needs to have a buttload of TD's the last 7 games in order to come close IMO.

What really strikes me is, the Broncos offense looks incredible with Manning back there now. Of the Broncos remaining games, they probably could realistically go 6-2/7-1, which would mean they would wind up 11-5 or 12-4, which would be a 3 or 4 win increase from last year and very dangerous in the playoffs.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

You have two guys coming back from injuries that are playing exceptional football in Manning and Peterson, Matt Ryan is playing well too.
Thing with Ryan though, I have a hard time putting him over Manning or Aaron Rodgers to be honest. I don't see how Ryan is playing better, or means more to his team, than those two QB's.
Peterson needs to have a buttload of TD's the last 7 games in order to come close IMO.

What really strikes me is, the Broncos offense looks incredible with Manning back there now. Of the Broncos remaining games, they probably could realistically go 6-2/7-1, which would mean they would wind up 11-5 or 12-4, which would be a 3 or 4 win increase from last year and very dangerous in the playoffs.

Without Matt Ryan the Falcons win maybe 2 games. Without Manning the Broncos won the division last year an won a playoff game with Tebow. Nothing to say about Rodgers. He's the best QB in the league

[roadman]

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Without Matt Ryan the Falcons win maybe 2 games. Without Manning the Broncos won the division last year an won a playoff game with Tebow. Nothing to say about Rodgers. He's the best QB in the league

And yet, Rodgers is willing the team to win without the likes of Greg Jennings, sometimes Jordy Nelson, Cedric Benson and now Brian Bulaga.

Take Roddy or Julio out for most of the season and see how the Falcons fare.

Not taking anything away from Matty Ice, he is having a great MVP type season.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

That's cause Rodgers is the best QB in the league. Who knows how Ryan would do. Unless Julio an Roddy both get hurt at the same time we won't have a chance to find out.

What I do know before Ryan we were the worst team in the league. It also helped that we got Turner but he's a shell of his former self at this point.

I don't like dealing with what ifs when talking about awards. The whole more valuable stuff is usually nothing but what ifs because someone always say well if you take so an so or put so an so in this situation then ....well we don't know.

I'm not denying Manning's greatness. Without him the Colts were horrible last year. I do know that without him the Broncos won a playoff game.

[ABR173rd]

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And yet, Rodgers is willing the team to win without the likes of Greg Jennings, sometimes Jordy Nelson, Cedric Benson and now Brian Bulaga.

Take Roddy or Julio out for most of the season and see how the Falcons fare.

Not taking anything away from Matty Ice, he is having a great MVP type season.

There have been a couple articles recently which all basically point out the supporting cast around Matt Ryan and echo the same sentiments. He's no doubt a good QB but has by far the best WR tandem in the league, a hall of fame TE,a ground attack averaging close to 100 YPG and, a defense thats only yielding 17 points per game.

Rodgers has been dealing with a shoddy offensive line, WR injury's, and a ton of dropped passes by a typically sure handed J. Nelson that would have changed the outcome of some of their earlier losses.

Peyton is having a great season but he also has a decent supporting cast and lets not forget Tebow took this team to the playoffs last year. Peyton will also get a boost in MVP voting just based on his comeback story alone.


Ill bring Luck up if he stays on track The Colt's were dead last in the previous season and this guy has made enough plays in his rookie season to potentially put this team into the playoffs. It is the Most Valuable Player award and without any other major acquisitions he's turned the Colt's outlook around.

I think at the end of the season if GB gets into the playoffs and Rodgers put's up another big statistical season it's his to lose.

[TheMatrix31]

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Ryan will probably win it if he/they keep it up.

Watt probably should win but defensive players won't win the NFL MVP. Last defensive player was LT in 1986.

[jth1331]

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Without Matt Ryan the Falcons win maybe 2 games. Without Manning the Broncos won the division last year an won a playoff game with Tebow. Nothing to say about Rodgers. He's the best QB in the league

So should Tim Tebow had won the MVP last year? The Broncos were 1-4 before he took over starting duties, went on a 7-4 run and a playoff victory over a good Steelers team.
I highly, highly doubt the Falcons without Ryan only win 2 games. 2 Pro Bowl WR's, HOF TE, and a solid defense. Not saying you could plug anyone back there, but come on.
As for Manning, the Broncos have played arguably the toughest schedule in the NFL so far, and although they fell behind, they always managed to come close to victory.

That's cause Rodgers is the best QB in the league. Who knows how Ryan would do. Unless Julio an Roddy both get hurt at the same time we won't have a chance to find out.

What I do know before Ryan we were the worst team in the league. It also helped that we got Turner but he's a shell of his former self at this point.

I don't like dealing with what ifs when talking about awards. The whole more valuable stuff is usually nothing but what ifs because someone always say well if you take so an so or put so an so in this situation then ....well we don't know.

I'm not denying Manning's greatness. Without him the Colts were horrible last year. I do know that without him the Broncos won a playoff game.

What is funny is you state you don't like what ifs here, and then previously mention the Falcons only win 2 games without Ryan.
The Colts had a horrible approach dealing with Manning's injury. They acted like it would never happen, so never prepared for it for one, and then just assumed it wasn't Manning that made the offense, the team. You put a decent QB on that Colts team, they are a highly competitive team.
I just think giving a MVP to the player on the team that finished with the best record is just a ridiculous thought.
i really hope Adrian Peterson starts racking up TD's to put more umph in his MVP case to be honest. 1,700 yards and 20 TD's getting the Vikings to a 9-7 record would do it IMO.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

So should Tim Tebow had won the MVP last year? The Broncos were 1-4 before he took over starting duties, went on a 7-4 run and a playoff victory over a good Steelers team.
I highly, highly doubt the Falcons without Ryan only win 2 games. 2 Pro Bowl WR's, HOF TE, and a solid defense. Not saying you could plug anyone back there, but come on.
As for Manning, the Broncos have played arguably the toughest schedule in the NFL so far, and although they fell behind, they always managed to come close to victory.



What is funny is you state you don't like what ifs here, and then previously mention the Falcons only win 2 games without Ryan.
The Colts had a horrible approach dealing with Manning's injury. They acted like it would never happen, so never prepared for it for one, and then just assumed it wasn't Manning that made the offense, the team. You put a decent QB on that Colts team, they are a highly competitive team.
I just think giving a MVP to the player on the team that finished with the best record is just a ridiculous thought.
i really hope Adrian Peterson starts racking up TD's to put more umph in his MVP case to be honest. 1,700 yards and 20 TD's getting the Vikings to a 9-7 record would do it IMO.

Two pro bowl WRs is inaccurate. Only Roddy White has made the pro Bowl. No Tebow shouldn't have won MVP that's a ridiculous notion. I was just showing a point about Manning being more valuable to his team.

I made that what if comment after I said the win two games stuff to reiterate my dislike for it because again we don't know what would happen.

[Sidion]

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I say Tony Romo.

He's been the MVP of pretty much every team the Cowboys have played against this season. lol


All joking aside, I really think Adrian Peterson needs to come out and earn this. How he has recovered so fast and still maintained his spot in the upper tier of elite RB's is just amazing.

[cjonesfan921]

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Peyton Manning.