2023 Offseason Thread

[roadman]

Bears biggest nightmare is when Love becomes Favre/Rodgers 3.0. lol

[dubcity]

Quote: Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan

There’s a difference between being old and not effective. He’s the latter, not the former, lol. McCaffrey, Saquan, Henry, Chubb, Jones, Ekeler and Zeke are all within 1-2 years of each other(26-28 range and in their prime for that position)but nobody here would outright say “Man, they’re old” Words still mean things, lol No longer effective as a primary back. Cool, there was never any argument about that.

People have just bought into "27 is old for a RB" because that's how front offices want them to be treated, let's be honest. Never pay for a RB, etc. Draft them then toss them in the trash ASAP.

[Amoo316]

Quote: Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC

Zeke is #1 among active players in rush attempts and his traditional and advanced metrics have been falling for multiple seasons. He might be a goalline back or something but his days as the RB1 are long gone.

I caught a stat about 3/4 of the way through last season so don't hold me to the exact numbers but it was to the effect of:


Tony Pollard Yards Above Expected was 2.1 above league average and Zeke was a -0.4.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Quote: Originally Posted by dubcity

People have just bought into "27 is old for a RB" because that's how front offices want them to be treated, let's be honest. Never pay for a RB, etc. Draft them then toss them in the trash ASAP.

There are 7 names listed in that post and aside from Zeke and Ekeler (in a contract year) all are making 10-15 million/year. Assuming they were all FAs, which would you give that money to for the next three/four years?

[dubcity]

Quote: Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC

There are 7 names listed in that post and aside from Zeke and Ekeler (in a contract year) all are making 10-15 million/year. Assuming they were all FAs, which would you give that money to for the next three/four years?

We're talking about giving top established RBs 1/3 of what Derek Carr is making. I'm OK with that.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Quote: Originally Posted by dubcity

We're talking about giving top established RBs 1/3 of what Derek Carr is making. I'm OK with that.

Ok, since we're using 26-28 as the numbers provided (roping in the 29yo Henry), the best 26-28 yo players in 2020:

Henry, Kenyan Drake, Melvin Gordon, Aaron Jones, Todd Gurley, Mike Davis, and Wayne Gallman are the only ones in the top 30 for carries, which seems like a decent cutoff as its only about 8/game.

Two seasons later, only Henry and Jones are starters, but the former is up for trade supposedly and the latter is in close to a 50-50 timeshare. Drake is a depth back. Davis, Gordon, Gurley, and Gallman are not on any roster at the moment. Age hits you *fast*.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by dubcity

People have just bought into "27 is old for a RB" because that's how front offices want them to be treated, let's be honest. Never pay for a RB, etc. Draft them then toss them in the trash ASAP.

Keep in mind, I’ve always been on team “Never pay for RBs or Draft them in the top 5-10” mainly because we know most RBs have a short shelf life because of their usage and depending on your Offense/Personnel/Play style, you can get by without making the huge investment there.

And I’m Zeke’s case, it’s moreso he’s not effective anymore because of past injuries/usage rate and the backup has proven he can cook just as well behind that line. I thought his age has very little to do with it, hence why I say he’s not old.

And we also the narrative can change easily because if McCaffrey never got traded and did what he did in SF, we’d be talking about how Carolina should find a way to get rid of him because he’s always hurt, not because he’s old.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC

Ok, since we're using 26-28 as the numbers provided (roping in the 29yo Henry), the best 26-28 yo players in 2020: Henry, Kenyan Drake, Melvin Gordon, Aaron Jones, Todd Gurley, Mike Davis, and Wayne Gallman are the only ones in the top 30 for carries, which seems like a decent cutoff as its only about 8/game. Two seasons later, only Henry and Jones are starters, but the former is up for trade supposedly and the latter is in close to a 50-50 timeshare. Drake is a depth back. Davis, Gordon, Gurley, and Gallman are not on any roster at the moment. Age hits you *fast*.

Injuries caught 2 of those guys(Gurley/Davis)Gordon is still on a roster but who knows what caused his downfall and Drake is a depth back like you said.

Honestly, I feel like Jones might be the one who has a *longer* prime/produce longer because of his playstyle and the system he plays in.