Shockey found unconscious

[stiffarmleft]

Quote: Originally Posted by mmorg

Drinking too much doesn't cause severe dehydration like in this case. Alcoholics drink for 40 years and never get dehydrated to the point that Shockey did. He was obviously putting chemicals in his body that should not be there, Ethanol not being one of them.

Not true, speaking from experience, I became severly dehyrated at Preakness one year, it was very hot and I drank about a case of beer, I passed out for about 15 minutes before my boy sprayed me with a can of beer. I had become very swollen and my head was pounding, I should have went to the hospital, but I had too much drinkers pride to do that. So it can happen especially with the heat in Vegas and if he was drinking liquor.

[KG]

The Hard Rock Pool Party is serious!!!

I can easily see how someone can do that. If you were really drunk the night before, woke up and started the party again then it's very possible.

[mmorg]

Quote: Originally Posted by JBH3

Drinking more of any other liquid over water will dehydrate. Through in that this was in what Vegas, and yea a whole lot of alcohol is going to severely dehydrate you given the heat and the fact that your body can only draw so much water from the alcohol, AND your intoxicating your body at that. **** drinking a 2 liter of Coke could have the same effect.

Like I had said previously alcoholics that have been drinking all day every day for 20-30 years never get dehydrated to the point of passing out from dehydration. If you drink regularly your body will cope and retain the liquids that it needs to. The human body is an amazing machine in that it works just like this. You can go ahead and drink just Coke every day for the rest of your life and you will never get dehydrated because your body will adjust. Will you be well hydrated? No. Will you be dehydrated to the point of passing out next to a pool? No.

Quote: Originally Posted by stiffarmleft

Not true, speaking from experience, I became severly dehyrated at Preakness one year, it was very hot and I drank about a case of beer, I passed out for about 15 minutes before my boy sprayed me with a can of beer. I had become very swollen and my head was pounding, I should have went to the hospital, but I had too much drinkers pride to do that. So it can happen especially with the heat in Vegas and if he was drinking liquor.

Was it dehydration? Or was it because your were drunk? If you pass out from dehydration you aren't going to wake back up until fluids are pumped back into you.

Basically, dehydration can be caused by 6 things; Diarrhea, Vomiting, Profuse Sweating, Diabetes, Burns, and Inability to Drink Fluids. If he was drinking beer or liquor he was still getting enough fluids to sustain hydration and like I said previously your body learns to adjust. I have a feeling that this wasn't Shockey's first rodeo so I am sure his body was able to compensate.

So was this dehydration caused because Shockey drank too much? Maybe. But I am willing to bet it was something else, and since Shockey is a big party guy I am just guessing this was caused by the use of MDMA which is famous for causing severe dehydration.

[JBH3]

Quote: Originally Posted by mmorg

Like I had said previously alcoholics that have been drinking all day every day for 20-30 years never get dehydrated to the point of passing out from dehydration. If you drink regularly your body will cope and retain the liquids that it needs to. The human body is an amazing machine in that it works just like this. You can go ahead and drink just Coke every day for the rest of your life and you will never get dehydrated because your body will adjust. Will you be well hydrated? No. Will you be dehydrated to the point of passing out next to a pool? No.

So Shockey is an alcoholic who's been drinking 24/7 for 20-30 years? He's only what 30 or so...so he'd essentially have to have been drinking immediately out of the womb to not be "eligible" for severe dehydration from JUST alchohol....

I went to a Nationals game two years ago, had about 7 beers sitting in the hot July sun, and was suffering from abdominal pain the next day; doc said it was dehydration.

This is on 7 beers or so, at a baseball gm in the VA sun...not the desert. Shockey probably tripled my amount, OR was mixing w/ liquor too, and was AGAIN in the desert.

Paramedic or not, I don't think you should insinuate he's used X. PLUS, I work w/ a woman who's a volunteer paramedic (her husband a Chief), and she said it's absolutely possible to suffer severe dehydration from an exorbinant amount of alcohol.

So given that Shockey is (1) A football player (2) A football player from "The U" leads me to believe he binge drinks, as evidenced by this incident, which would then lead to severe dehydration.

[elgreazy1]

Quote: Originally Posted by JBH3

So essentially dude got drunk, passed out by a pool, and all of a sudden he's a waste of talent. What am I then...I get drunk sometimes and pass out on my couch. Guess I need help...

Not because he got wasted but becasue he is a waste of talent. Look at all the fan-fare the guy had coming into the league. Aside from maybe his rookie season, he has been average. He hasn't been able to stay healthy and on the field for most games, his blocking skills haven't really improved over time, and he IMO is no longer considered an elite TE. In fact, I wouldn't even rate him in the top 5, maybe not even the top 10 in TE's in the league. Witten - Gonzales - Gates - Clark - Cooley (TE/FB) - Daniels (HOU) - Winslow - are just some of a few I can name off the top of my head without having to do a statistical breakdown, and these guys are good all-around team mates.

Don't get me wrong, I think the guy has the athletic tools to be one of the best becasue he showed it before, but does he have the desire, the commitment, the maturity? I honestly don't think so.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by elgreazy1

Not because he got wasted but becasue he is a waste of talent. Look at all the fan-fare the guy had coming into the league. Aside from maybe his rookie season, he has been average. He hasn't been able to stay healthy and on the field for most games, his blocking skills haven't really improved over time, and he IMO is no longer considered an elite TE. In fact, I wouldn't even rate him in the top 5, maybe not even the top 10 in TE's in the league. Witten - Gonzales - Gates - Clark - Cooley (TE/FB) - Daniels (HOU) - Winslow - are just some of a few I can name off the top of my head without having to do a statistical breakdown, and these guys are good all-around team mates. Don't get me wrong, I think the guy has the athletic tools to be one of the best becasue he showed it before, but does he have the desire, the commitment, the maturity? I honestly don't think so.

Don't really get what any of that has to do with him being found unconscious (that's what this thread's about, right?).

[mmorg]

Quote: Originally Posted by JBH3

So Shockey is an alcoholic who's been drinking 24/7 for 20-30 years? He's only what 30 or so...so he'd essentially have to have been drinking immediately out of the womb to not be "eligible" for sever dehydration from JUST alchohol.... I went to a Nationals game two years ago, had about 7 beers sitting in the hot July sun, and was suffering from abdominal pain the next day; doc said it was dehydration. This is on 7 beers or so, at a baseball gm in the VA sun...not the desert. Shockey probably tripled my amount, OR was mixing w/ liquor too, and was AGAIN in the desert.

All I am saying is that this guy is a pro-athlete and his body is finely tuned and should be able to adjust to the amount of drinking he is doing. I never said he has been an alcoholic and drinking for 20-30 years, I just find it odd that someone like Shockey, who has been known for being a bit of a party animal, would all of a sudden pass out from drinking too much. His tolerance should be high enough that his body knows how to deal with it.

Also, how often do you drink? If you aren't drinking alcohol regularly, which I can guarantee you Shockey is, then of course 7 beers will effect you. You don't go to Las Vegas as a professional athlete to party just once in your life. I can also say that alcohol wasn't the only drug he was putting in his body. That's not the lifestyle a lot of professional athletes live.

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Paramedic or not, I don't think you should insinuate he's used X. PLUS, I work w/ a woman who's a volunteer paramedic (her husband a Chief), and she said it's absolutely possible to suffer severe dehydration from an exorbinant amount of alcohol. So given that Shockey is (1) A football player (2) A football player from "The U" leads me to believe he binge drinks, as evidenced by this incident, which would then lead to severe dehydration.

If an 18 year old kid drinks a case of beer without ever haven drank alcohol before I could see him passing out from drinking too much and possibly dehydration.

I just personally don't see someone like Shockey passing out from dehydration in which alcohol consumption was the trigger. I went to a 4 year university and had my fair share of binge drinking on the weekends in San Diego, CA and never felt dehydrated from drinking too much. I was also an athlete in College and was in pretty good shape so I guess that helped by body adjust. I just don't see dehydration because of consumption of alcohol being the cause of Shockey's passing out.

[JBH3]

Quote: Originally Posted by mmorg

All I am saying is that this guy is a pro-athlete and his body is finely tuned and should be able to adjust to the amount of drinking he is doing. I never said he has been an alcoholic and drinking for 20-30 years, I just find it odd that someone like Shockey, who has been known for being a bit of a party animal, would all of a sudden pass out from drinking too much. His tolerance should be high enough that his body knows how to deal with it. Also, how often do you drink? If you aren't drinking alcohol regularly, which I can guarantee you Shockey is, then of course 7 beers will effect you. You don't go to Las Vegas as a professional athlete to party just once in your life. I can also say that alcohol wasn't the only drug he was putting in his body. That's not the lifestyle a lot of professional athletes live. If an 18 year old kid drinks a case of beer without ever haven drank alcohol before I could see him passing out from drinking too much and possibly dehydration. I just personally don't see someone like Shockey passing out from dehydration in which alcohol consumption was the trigger. I went to a 4 year university and had my fair share of binge drinking on the weekends in San Diego, CA and never felt dehydrated from drinking too much. I was also an athlete in College and was in pretty good shape so I guess that helped by body adjust. I just don't see dehydration because of consumption of alcohol being the cause of Shockey's passing out.

frat boy binge drinking (you) < Marine Corps binge drinking (me).

Therefore I am the subject matter expert...