Are you kidding me

[grunt]

I take him back at the vet minimum.

[RedheadKingpin]

Quote: Originally Posted by deaduck

I see the T.O. deal and Pac-Man as two entirely different situations. T.O., despite his value on the field, was prone to create problems within the team. Screwing up chemistry in the lockeroom. Pac-man's issues are off the field and not inside the lockeroom. He hurts the team with bad P.R. (which I don't think Jones believes in) and games missed due to infractions. Two different beasts.

No,it's the exact same thing. Tell me,how exactly is Jones not screwing with team chemistry. They're constantly having to answer questions about the guy. That's a locker room distraction if I ever saw one.

I mean damn,I understand people don't like Owens,but to say it's not the same thing is laughable.

[grunt]

Quote: Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Pacman was smoked on Pro's vs Joes, why would any NFL team want him after that performance? I doubt he finds a team, his attitude and work ethic probably cost him years in the NFL. He'll be flipping burgers in 5 months.

How bad did he look?

[sb24]

Quote: Originally Posted by deaduck

I see the T.O. deal and Pac-Man as two entirely different situations. T.O., despite his value on the field, was prone to create problems within the team. Screwing up chemistry in the lockeroom. Pac-man's issues are off the field and not inside the lockeroom. He hurts the team with bad P.R. (which I don't think Jones believes in) and games missed due to infractions. Two different beasts.

See my thought is team chemistry is knowing you can rely on the guy to be there Sunday.

TO will be there on sunday. He may drop a few but he will be there to win.

Packman has a high chance of being in handcuffs after friday and saturdays parties. Then if he misses game due to infractions thats another blow to the team. If he made it on the field you have to wonder if he was hungover or anything. While hes on the field you have to wonder if he is thinking about spending his money at the strip club while drinking after the game. Dont even get me started about practice.

So while i KNOW im being way to hard on Pacman, you get the point. IMO packman is there for a paycheck, TO is there to win. I could be wrong and while i dont like TO, he does seem to want to win more than being paid.

And again dont flame me for being way to hard on Pacman. Its more a joke than anything.

[RedheadKingpin]

Quote: Originally Posted by grunt

How bad did he look?

He didn't look good at all.

[RedheadKingpin]

Quote: Originally Posted by sb24

See my thought is team chemistry is knowing you can rely on the guy to be there Sunday. TO will be there on sunday. He may drop a few but he will be there to win. Packman has a high chance of being in handcuffs after friday and saturdays parties. If he made it on the field you have to wonder if he was hungover or anything. While hes on the field you have to wonder if he is thinking about spending his money at the strip club while drinking after the game. Dont even get me started about practice. So while i KNOW im being way to hard on Pacman, you get the point. IMO packman is there for a paycheck, TO is there to win. I could be wrong and while i dont like TO, he does seem to want to win more than being paid. And again dont flame me for being way to hard on Pacman. Its more a joke than anything.

That's how I feel about it. Seriously,the Cowboys hired people to look after Jones,and he still managed to screw it up.

What I don't understand is,how is Jones still in the league. I'm all for second chances,but he screwed that up after his last arrest. So much for Goodell dropping the hammer on these guys

[grunt]

Quote: Originally Posted by RedheadKingpin

He didn't look good at all.

Then he will be out of the league the old fashion way. I wasn't impressed with him last year.

[deaduck]

Quote: Originally Posted by RedheadKingpin

Tell me,how exactly is Jones not screwing with team chemistry. They're constantly having to answer questions about the guy. That's a locker room distraction if I ever saw one...but to say it's not the same thing is laughable.

I didn't say it wasn't a distraction.

But Jones has historically not minded those. He's one of those guys who likes people talking about his team, even if it's not always positive. Pac-man is a distraction and you can't count on him to stay out of trouble and on the roster but he doesn't call out the D coach in the press and acuse him of making a game plan that was designed to keep him down.

Owen's managed to cross a line and force a choice. You can't have teamates calling each other out and accusing the QB of conspiring to get the ball to the TE. It was dumb of T.O. to even go down that road.

You don't see why they're two different kinds of problems, that's cool. But they are.