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  • #1
    Dice
    Sitting by the door
    • Jul 2002
    • 6627

    Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


    This is probably why there are very few fundamentally sound players in the game. And also why most players careers don't last as long as expected.

    Say what you want about a guy like Randy Moss, but Moss will be a HOF WR once he leaves the game. And you can credit his willingness to listen to a guy like Chris Carter when he first entered the league.



    It's happening to Derrick Brooks. After 11 Pro Bowls, six first-team all-pro nods, one Super Bowl victory and one Defensive Player of the Year award, football is saying to him, "We don't need you anymore.''

    He always knew it would happen, and he's prepared himself for a career after football as well as anyone can, but it's happening too fast, and he's not really ready to go. He can't believe he's in his 17th week of unemployment after being cut by the Bucs, and no team in the NFL has offered him a chance to sign, even for relative pennies.

    I'm stunned by it, quite frankly. I don't care if the guy gets wheeled into a locker room with two broken legs. Derrick Brooks is a football player's football player, one of the best students of the game I've ever seen. He keeps voluminous notes, he watches hours of tape on days off, he calls his coaches after midnight in the off-season to brainstorm. (True story. Ask the new Seattle defensive coordinator, Gus Bradley, formerly the Tampa Bay linebackers coach, about Brooks calling late one spring Saturday night with an X-and-O idea.) And to think that 31 teams in the National Football League can't use one of 53 spots on a roster for a leader like Brooks who still has the needle on one-quarter ... I don't get it. I called around the league to find out why, and I got a bunch of he's not the same Brooks ... we're trying to get younger ... he's not quick enough for our scheme. Blah, blah, blah.

    I understand an NFL team is going to employ between six and eight linebackers, usually, depending on whether the team runs a 3-4 or 4-3, and I understand that Brooks isn't going to be an every-down player at 36. So the book says if you're going to have a linebacker playing 20 snaps a game, he'd better play a huge role on special teams. And Brooks, at his age, wouldn't be the kamikaze type you'd want out there. So it comes down to this: An NFL coach would have to keep one fewer special-teams demon in exchange for having one of the best leaders in the league. And that's why Brooks sits home in Florida today, waiting for the phone to ring.

    But there might be something else.

    "I'll tell you the real reason,'' his friend Warren Sapp said over the weekend. "Because it's not the same for the veterans anymore. The NFL doesn't need us. In this NFL, the old vets don't factor in. The kids don't listen to nobody. Nobody! My last year in Oakland, I'd try to talk to some of the kids. Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands. But they had no interest. I thought the ghosts in that building were so valuable, but none of the young guys cared. Once in a while, one of the old legends would come in the building, or make a trip. Jack Tatum would be around, and I'd say, 'You know who that dude is? You know how he played?' And the kids would be like, 'Nah, I don't care.'

    "The game's different now. Look at Vince Young. Why wouldn't he listen to Kerry Collins? I'm sure Vince thinks, 'Nobody's been through what I'm going through. Nobody's been through my kind of pressure.' Are you kidding me! Kerry Collins, fifth pick in the draft, has all the ups and downs, gets benched, makes those racist comments, has the alcohol problems, moves from team to team, comes back, has success ... Vince Young should suck up all the knowledge Kerry Collins has to offer! There's no better role model for him.''

    I have heard that Collins went out of his way last year to try to help Young when the struggling quarterback was having his quasi-breakdown. Young had no interest. Maybe Sapp's on to something. If he is, it's a sad commentary on the kids of the NFL. I remember being in Tampa last year to do a story for SI on Brooks playing Adrian Peterson and the Vikings, and I thought at least one of the young linebackers, Barrett Ruud, tried to siphon off Brooks' knowledge.

    "I always wonder during games, 'How Derrick get there so fast?' '' Ruud said. "Then I'd watch the tape, and I'd see he started running to the spot before I would have, because he just knew his keys and he knew the tendencies of the offense better than anybody else.'' But I also heard that while Ruud was a willing listener, the other young 'backers weren't.

    Brooks told me he wants to play one more year. His gut feeling is he'll get picked up. His agent, Roosevelt Barnes, told me the same thing Sunday evening. Some teams have sniffed around -- the Saints, most notably -- but no offers have been made.

    "I'll tell you how committed I am to play, and playing well,'' said Brooks. "I was hurt most of last year. First time in 14 years I've been hurt, and I played hurt. It affected me, obviously. But I wanted to play well so badly this year that I skipped the Pro Bowl after the season, and the day after our season ended, the day after we lost to Oakland in the last game, at 1 or 2 in the afternoon, I was in the trainers' room doing my rehab work on my hamstring. I didn't want to have any setbacks by playing in the Pro Bowl.''

    When new coach Raheem Morris called Brooks Feb. 25 and asked him to come in and see him, Brooks knew he was being let go. He snapped into the phone: "Are you kidding me!'' Since then, he's devoted time to training, and to his young education causes, including seeing his first senior class of 16 students graduate from the Brooks-DeBartolo Collegiate High School. It's the first charter school in the county that contains Tampa, and Brooks swells with pride about the lives he's helped change by giving inner-city kids a chance at a better education. All 16 of his charges will be attending college in the fall.

    The fall. That's when Brooks hopes he's playing. Somewhere.

    "The reality in this game is we're all going to walk into work one day and be told, 'You're out of a job.' '' he said. "I don't think it's my time yet.''

    It's not up to him. For someone who always controlled his own fate with his effort and his play, that's the hardest part.
    I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X
  • #2
    Cebby
    Banned
    • Apr 2005
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    Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


    Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

    I think most NFL GMs know what they're doing, and they certainly know what they're doing better than a sportswriter.

    If Brooks is actually willing to sign for a very low contract, I'm sure someone will pick him up at some point.

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    • #3
      ProfessaPackMan
      Bamma
      • Mar 2008
      • 63850

      Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


      Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

      Phones will start ringing when Training Camp start. He'll be a team this season.
      #RespectTheCulture

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      • #4
        wwharton
        *ll St*r
        • Aug 2002
        • 26947

        Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


        Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

        Originally posted by Cebby
        I think most NFL GMs know what they're doing, and they certainly know what they're doing better than a sportswriter.

        If Brooks is actually willing to sign for a very low contract, I'm sure someone will pick him up at some point.
        I agree. Unfortunately, teams that need the type of leadership Brooks can offer can't afford to lose that extra spot or don't expect to compete so might as well get younger. A team will sign him but they want to look at the young guys they have first. My guess is he'll get signed soon after cuts begin.

        True about young guys listening to vets though... in the NBA too.

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        • #5
          Dice
          Sitting by the door
          • Jul 2002
          • 6627

          Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


          Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

          Originally posted by Cebby
          I think most NFL GMs know what they're doing, and they certainly know what they're doing better than a sportswriter.

          If Brooks is actually willing to sign for a very low contract, I'm sure someone will pick him up at some point.
          I don't think that most GM's in the league have a clue what they are doing. There maybe a handful of GM that might have some sense but I'm pretty sure there are more morons as GM's then there are capable GM's.

          Yes, if GM's thinks that certain players are too old to play then that's fine. What strikes me is that these young guys in the league who think they know everything and don't know jack. Then, when a veteran who has a Super Bowl ring and 11-pro bowls, tried to give him a little advice the young guys look at them like they are crazy. But what I'm getting at is GM's catering to these young guys and refusing to sign veterans so not to rattle the psyche of these young players. Most of these young players needs their psyches rattle. Just to let them know that there is more to football than just running, catching, throwing, kicking, tackling and blocking.

          This is why I mentioned a guy like Moss, who was mentored by Chris Carter when he first got to the league. Another guy I thought about, Terrell Owens. Before he was the brash T.O. he was mentored under the likes of Steve Young and Jerry Rice. From my understanding, T.O. was a very humble person and listened to what Young and Rice taught him. Like him or not, that's why he's had the career he's had. Same for Moss.

          Now I know why Vince Young is the way he is. Young should be one of the best QB's in the league right now but because he wasn't interested in hearing what Collins had to tell him, that's why he's in the situation he's in right now.
          I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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          • #6
            mgoblue
            Go Wings!
            • Jul 2002
            • 25477

            Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


            Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

            Originally posted by wwharton
            I agree. Unfortunately, teams that need the type of leadership Brooks can offer can't afford to lose that extra spot or don't expect to compete so might as well get younger. A team will sign him but they want to look at the young guys they have first. My guess is he'll get signed soon after cuts begin.

            True about young guys listening to vets though... in the NBA too.
            Yeah, it's also a money issue, along with "potential". A team would rather have a cheaper young guy who "may" progress to be a good or great player, rather than a really expensive great vet who is on the downside of his career. Plus you gotta think there's more of a threat with injury since a vet's played so many downs, etc. Just a numbers game.

            I'm sure if Brooks is willing to take less money he'll be playing.
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            • #7
              Cebby
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              • Apr 2005
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              Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


              Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

              Originally posted by Dice
              I don't think that most GM's in the league have a clue what they are doing. There maybe a handful of GM that might have some sense but I'm pretty sure there are more morons as GM's then there are capable GM's.
              Well, that's pretty crazy. This isn't Madden; there's a lot more a GM has to do than what we see.

              Aside from the Lions and Raiders (and maybe the Browns), how many teams are truly consistently poorly run?

              But what I'm getting at is GM's catering to these young guys and refusing to sign veterans so not to rattle the psyche of these young players.
              I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think NFL owners don't want to end up like the NBA where you have teams spending half of their cap room on aging vets.

              If he's truly willing to "play for pennies" as Peter King asserts, then I'll be shocked if he doesn't have a job by the start of the season.

              However, if he wants a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract, he has no one to blame but himself.

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              • #8
                wwharton
                *ll St*r
                • Aug 2002
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                Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


                Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

                Originally posted by mgoblue
                Yeah, it's also a money issue, along with "potential". A team would rather have a cheaper young guy who "may" progress to be a good or great player, rather than a really expensive great vet who is on the downside of his career. Plus you gotta think there's more of a threat with injury since a vet's played so many downs, etc. Just a numbers game.

                I'm sure if Brooks is willing to take less money he'll be playing.
                yep

                Originally posted by Cebby
                Well, that's pretty crazy. This isn't Madden; there's a lot more a GM has to do than what we see.

                Aside from the Lions and Raiders (and maybe the Browns), how many teams are truly consistently poorly run?
                And as much grief as we give them, it wasn't that long ago that the Raiders were in the SB and the Browns are basically an expansion team... should be considered in the same way the Texans are. I'd say the Lions and the Bengals are the only two.

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                • #9
                  Cebby
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2005
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                  Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


                  Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

                  Originally posted by wwharton
                  And as much grief as we give them, it wasn't that long ago that the Raiders were in the SB and the Browns are basically an expansion team... should be considered in the same way the Texans are. I'd say the Lions and the Bengals are the only two.
                  The Bengals still had one of the best drafts recently in 2001.

                  I think we can all agree that the Pats, Colts, and Steelers are better run than any team aside from the Lions is poorly run. There are a lot of middle level teams, but there are only 3-5 teams that I can look at and just say "WTF are you doing?"

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                  • #10
                    Dice
                    Sitting by the door
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 6627

                    Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


                    Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

                    Originally posted by Cebby
                    Well, that's pretty crazy. This isn't Madden; there's a lot more a GM has to do than what we see.

                    Aside from the Lions and Raiders (and maybe the Browns), how many teams are truly consistently poorly run?
                    How about the Chiefs, Broncos(for letting the new coach run away their starting QB), Jets(just for signing Bret Favre last year), Bills(for giving Dick Juron a contract extension after 7 games), Vikings(for thinking about signing Bret Favre), 49ers, Rams.

                    OK, so it's 10 teams. I would have added the Bears but they did make a splash move in trading for Cutler. I'd give him credit for that. But Angelo, the Bears GM, and many others are on the brink of being morons.

                    When I think of well run franchises, I think of teams like the Steelers, Pats, Colts, Eagles and maybe a few more. Teams that have for the last 10 years that's not had any or multiple non-playoff seasons in this span. Those are the good ones.



                    Originally posted by Cebby
                    I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think NFL owners don't want to end up like the NBA where you have teams spending half of their cap room on aging vets.
                    Seems like it doesn't bother the Pats when mostly every key member of their defense is 30+ years old. The NBA and NFL has two different financial systems when it comes to player contracts. NBA salaries are guaranteed where as in the NFL it's not. So in the NBA it would be harder for a team to release itself from the financial burden of an aging NBA player than it is in the NFL. Heck, in the NBA it's hard for a team to release itself from a bad contract from a young guy. Luol Deng is the perfect example.
                    I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                    • #11
                      Cebby
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2005
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                      Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


                      Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

                      Originally posted by Dice
                      How about the Chiefs, Broncos(for letting the new coach run away their starting QB), Jets(just for signing Bret Favre last year), Bills(for giving Dick Juron a contract extension after 7 games), Vikings(for thinking about signing Bret Favre), 49ers, Rams.
                      The Chiefs had a stretch of 13, 7, 10, and 9 wins 2 years ago.

                      The Broncos have won fewer than 7 games twice since 1982 and have had four losing records in that span.

                      The Jets improved by 5 games by signing Favre

                      The Bills suck

                      The Vikings are addressing their team's biggest problem by signing Favre

                      The 9ers suck

                      The Rams' previous GM built a Super Bowl winner and loser.

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                      • #12
                        sb24
                        MVP
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 3165

                        Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


                        Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

                        Originally posted by Cebby
                        The Chiefs had a stretch of 13, 7, 10, and 9 wins 2 years ago.

                        The Broncos have won fewer than 7 games twice since 1982 and have had four losing records in that span.

                        The Jets improved by 5 games by signing Favre

                        The Bills suck

                        The Vikings are addressing their team's biggest problem by signing Favre

                        The 9ers suck

                        The Rams' previous GM built a Super Bowl winner and loser.
                        But, but this is the "what have you done for me lately" league. You can only count the past season.

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                        • #13
                          Dice
                          Sitting by the door
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6627

                          Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


                          Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

                          Originally posted by Cebby
                          The Chiefs had a stretch of 13, 7, 10, and 9 wins 2 years ago.

                          The Broncos have won fewer than 7 games twice since 1982 and have had four losing records in that span.

                          The Jets improved by 5 games by signing Favre

                          The Bills suck

                          The Vikings are addressing their team's biggest problem by signing Favre

                          The 9ers suck

                          The Rams' previous GM built a Super Bowl winner and loser.
                          Remember, we're talking about the GM's who run the team and not the franchises themselves.
                          I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                          • #14
                            SPTO
                            binging
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 68046

                            Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


                            Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

                            The Bills and Niners suck?

                            Well you might win the Niners argument but the Bills have been meddling not "sucking" the last few years.

                            ANYWAYS.....

                            This is nothing new since the Cap Era. I'm sure Brooks will be signed by a team by training camp but it's not like veterans were ALWAYS signed to teams and ready to play before training camp in the last few years. It only seems worse because the guys who are on the sidelines are bigger names then before.

                            I will agree about younger players not listening to the Vets. That's a very recent phenomenon. I blame it on the whacked out pay scale. I mean you got draft picks making more money then some of the biggest names in the league at present. How in the world are you expected to command respect when the kid you're talking to has more money then God!
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                            • #15
                              slickdtc
                              Grayscale
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 17128

                              Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.


                              Re: Veterans of the NFL are no longer respected.

                              Originally posted by Dice
                              How about the Chiefs, Broncos(for letting the new coach run away their starting QB), Jets(just for signing Bret Favre last year), Bills(for giving Dick Juron a contract extension after 7 games), Vikings(for thinking about signing Bret Favre), 49ers, Rams.

                              OK, so it's 10 teams. I would have added the Bears but they did make a splash move in trading for Cutler. I'd give him credit for that. But Angelo, the Bears GM, and many others are on the brink of being morons.

                              When I think of well run franchises, I think of teams like the Steelers, Pats, Colts, Eagles and maybe a few more. Teams that have for the last 10 years that's not had any or multiple non-playoff seasons in this span. Those are the good ones.





                              Seems like it doesn't bother the Pats when mostly every key member of their defense is 30+ years old. The NBA and NFL has two different financial systems when it comes to player contracts. NBA salaries are guaranteed where as in the NFL it's not. So in the NBA it would be harder for a team to release itself from the financial burden of an aging NBA player than it is in the NFL. Heck, in the NBA it's hard for a team to release itself from a bad contract from a young guy. Luol Deng is the perfect example.
                              Well, every team can't be consistently good. That's why there's a few consistently good teams, a few consistently bad teams, and then there's everyone else. That middle pack (which is probably like 20ish teams) fluctuates yearly.

                              I think Peter King is angry because Brooks is a good player, but the risk involved with signing an old linebacker is pretty high, despite all of Brooks' past achievements. Also, Brooks is a class act. So seeing him not be able to sign on with anyone sucks because you feel bad for Brooks, the person.

                              I think he still has a few years left in him. It's just a matter of finding the right fit.
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