So why aren't these teams dysfunctional?

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Olson-for-Heisman

Who says they needed Crabtree in the first place? What about OT or DT or the other holes on the team? And there are many. Al Davis' scouting report boils down to "Slow", "Fast", and "Very Fast".

If you look at like their last 10 draft classes, they average less than one NFL starting caliber player per draft. (Over the course of the players career). No one should be bragging about Al Davis's draft, Free Agency or coach hiring prowess.

[FunkDockta27]

All I'm sayin, (and by no means am I some kinda Raiders fan or Al davis fan...ugh) is he may have drafted the 3rd or 4th best WR, we wont know til the guy plays some...but compared to people who predicted them to take Crabtree....hmmm at least they have a 1st rounder in pads playing instead of a guy whos refusing to sign...thats my only comparison i was drawing there...so maybe he knew something or his guys did, about Crabtree...and thats why carbs didnt get taken when guys such as kiper had predicted him there...ya know kiper has the advantadge of being a draft genius...oh yeah cuz he can change his picks up til theyre taken...then claim he was right...like the guy earlier in this thread said, Kiper? yeah if he's so good how come hes working at ESPN still after all these years and not on an NFL team?

[Chip Douglass]

Quote: Originally Posted by grunt

Al Davis knows more about football than 99% of people in the NFL now.

[bkrich83]

Just for fun, the Raiders #1 picks since 1990.

1990
1. Anthony Smith, DE, Arizona

1991
1. Todd Marinovich, QB, USC

1992
1. Chester McGlockton, DT, Clemson

1993
1. Patrick Bates, S, Texas A&M

1994
1. Rob Fredrickson, LB, Michigan St.

1995
1. Napoleon Kaufman, RB, Washington

1996
1. Rickey Dudley, TE, Ohio State

1997
1. Darrell Russell, DT, USC

1998
1a. Charles Woodson, CB, Michigan
1b. Mo Collins, T, Florida

1999
1. Matt Stinchcomb, T, Georgia

2000
1. Sebastian Janikowski, K, Florida State

2001
1. Derrick Gibson, S, Florida State
2. Marques Tuiasosopo, QB Washington

2002
1a. Phillip Buchanon, CB, Miami, Fla.
1b. Napoleon Harris, LB, Northwestern

2003
1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California
1b. Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado

2004
1. Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa

2005
1. Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska

2006
1. Michael Huff, S, Texas

2007
1. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU

2008
1. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas

[jmood88]

I'm really tired of all this complaining by the Raiders organizations and it's fans. People don't care enough about the Raiders to participate in the conspiracy that you guys wish was going on to shut the team down. Al Davis is senile and you have a horribly run organization that hasn't won anything since they went to the Superbowl.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by FunkDockta27

All I'm sayin, (and by no means am I some kinda Raiders fan or Al davis fan...ugh) is he may have drafted the 3rd or 4th best WR, we wont know til the guy plays some...but compared to people who predicted them to take Crabtree....hmmm at least they have a 1st rounder in pads playing instead of a guy whos refusing to sign...thats my only comparison i was drawing there...so maybe he knew something or his guys did, about Crabtree...and thats why carbs didnt get taken when guys such as kiper had predicted him there...ya know kiper has the advantadge of being a draft genius...oh yeah cuz he can change his picks up til theyre taken...then claim he was right...like the guy earlier in this thread said, Kiper? yeah if he's so good how come hes working at ESPN still after all these years and not on an NFL team?

No one thinks Kiper is good. At least no one that truly follows the game.

Mike Mayock had Crabtree much higher than Darius-Bay, and that's all I need to hear.

Whether you get them in camp or not, makes no difference when your first round pick is a guy that would have been available a round or two later. Now you are paying first round money to a complete reach.. Something the Raiders have been doing for the better part of two decades, and explains why they are now the worst franchise in the game.

[Chip Douglass]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

2003 1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California

What's that saying about blind squirrels and nuts?

[splff3000]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Just for fun, the Raiders #1 picks since 1990. 1990 1. Anthony Smith, DE, Arizona retired 1991 1. Todd Marinovich, QB, USC bust 1992 1. Chester McGlockton, DT, Clemson retired, but was pretty damn good when he played 1993 1. Patrick Bates, S, Texas A&M bust 1994 1. Rob Fredrickson, LB, Michigan St. started for 9 yrs in the NFL, 4 with the raiders 1995 1. Napoleon Kaufman, RB, Washington split carries with Tyrone Wheatley for 6 seasons, ended career with 4.9 yd rush average 1996 1. Rickey Dudley, TE, Ohio State starter for the Raiders, and Bucs for 9 yrs 1997 1. Darrell Russell, DT, USC went to 2 pro bowls 1998 1a. Charles Woodson, CB, Michigan don't have to say anything about him 1b. Mo Collins, T, Florida started 64 of 71 games for the Raiders and a damn good guard 1999 1. Matt Stinchcomb, T, Georgia starter for the Raiders and the Bucs 2000 1. Sebastian Janikowski, K, Florida State no explanation needed 2001 1. Derrick Gibson, S, Florida State bust that never panned out 2. Marques Tuiasosopo, QB Washington never panned out due to changes in philosophy 2002 1a. Phillip Buchanon, CB, Miami, Fla. starter for the bucs 1b. Napoleon Harris, LB, Northwestern starter the vikings 2003 1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California no explanation needed 1b. Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado starter for panthers 2004 1. Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa starter for the raiders 2005 1. Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska starter for the ravens 2006 1. Michael Huff, S, Texas not quite a bust, close but not yet 2007 1. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU starting 2008 1. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas starting

Just so you know. It ain't as bad as you think it is. Some of these guys just don't play for the Raiders anymore lol. If anything we had worst drafts before the last 6 yrs. So what does this have to do with our dysfunction? Just because they weren't highly praised picks when they were drafted doesn't mean they were bad picks. Most of the picks are starting in the NFL somewhere.