John Clayton's Top Ten QB's of All-Time List

[metallicatz]

I'm sorry, but I don't consider Ben to be better than Manning. He's been more clutch in the playoffs (which is huge), but he's also put the team in alot of tough positions with bad turnovers on a consistent basis. And as far as intelligence at the QB position: Manning is Stephen Hawking and Ben is Gary the ****** from the Howard Stern show. He can make a lot of fantastic plays, but he can also make alot of plays that make you shake your head in amazement at his stupidity. And besides......Ben nails ugly chicks.

And it's way early to be talking about Ben in any GOAT discussions.

[TheShizNo1]

Right because its the QB, not the team. The Giants DLine would like a word with you, as would the Ravens D, also the Bucs D.


Hell by your theory, doesn't matter the other players or even the coaches.

[clerks37]

Quote: Originally Posted by poopydude

your a very funny guy you know that? otto graham should be number 1. in his 10 years he played he led the bills to the superbowl EVERY YEAR and won it 5 times

Took the words out of my mouth.

[NovaStar]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheShizNo1

Right because its the QB, not the team. The Giants DLine would like a word with you, as would the Ravens D, also the Bucs D. Hell by your theory, doesn't matter the other players or even the coaches.

I assume you are talking to me. The Giants D for all the great play they exhibited in the SB against the Pats, had to sit on the sideline and pray that Eli could pull off a miracle (and he did) Why? because Brady led his team on a td in the last 3 minutes of the game against that great D that caused the G-Men to lose the lead, so don't get it twisted.

The QB position, or players in the qb position are more often than not the reason teams ultimately lose or win. Brady made his play against a great D, Eli made his against an equally great D. That is what decided the game.

The minority does not disprove the rule, it reinforces it.

[NCAAFootballFreak]

Quote: Originally Posted by NovaStar

SB's should be the measuring stick of great qb's, especially when we are talking about qb's that have established themselves as elite on their respective teams. We know that Marino was an elite qb through his many years of consistency, but regular season consistency should not end the discussion. The regulars season is nothing more than a preliminary contest to position your teamfor what really counts and that is the playoffs and the SB. Any elite qb that wins consistently in the regular season but cannot win consitently in the playoffs should never sit above elite qb's that are consistent (through the years) in the regular season, then excel in the playoffs and become SB winners. Your concern when mentioning Dilfer, Simms, Williams and Big Ben, is do you consider them elite qb's through years of performance? Marino, who is my favorite QB of all time cannot sit above those elite qb's that have won SB's. Why? because he at his best, in his prime, could not lead his team to the ring. The QB position is more than just throwing the ball, it is also a position of leadership, this is why the QB is giving the credit for winning and losing. It is what it is.

So that settles it . . . Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana should be at the top, followed by Troy Aikman and Tom Brady.

Aikman didn't even make the list. Why? Because it's obviously not just about the Super Bowls. I still think he deserves to be in the discussion but simply Super Bowl wins cannot be the be-all, end-all. Heck, where's Warren Moon in all of this? Dude put up astronomical numbers but never won the big one.

[NovaStar]

Quote: Originally Posted by NCAAFootballFreak

So that settles it . . . Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana should be at the top, followed by Troy Aikman and Tom Brady. Aikman didn't even make the list. Why? Because it's obviously not just about the Super Bowls. I still think he deserves to be in the discussion but simply Super Bowl wins cannot be the be-all, end-all. Heck, where's Warren Moon in all of this? Dude put up astronomical numbers but never won the big one.

You are taking the ten best, there is not room for every qb that should be mentioned. Aikmen should definitely be mentioned, Aikmen had a record of no int's for eight playoff appearances (something like that) so yeah, he is an alltime great elite qb as well.

Some of you guys really don't understand the era that Bradshaw played in, back then there was no pity on the wide receivers, they had to fight just to get open, it was a defense friendly league, not to mention the qb was not over protected, to accomplish 4 rings back then, definitely puts Bradshaw at the top of the list.

No qb plays the position for stats, or longevity records, you play to lead your team to rings, that is it, that is all. Those that have accomplished that on multiple levels should be at the top. Stats are for losers, rings are for champions.

[metallicatz]

I do agree that Aikman doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves.

[NovaStar]

Quote: Originally Posted by metallicatz

I do agree that Aikman doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves.

I agree as well.