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oneamongthefence · 09-30-2010, 05:07 PM

I like Carson Palmer but the last few years he seems to have lost his magic. He looks lost way too much and his throwing the ball he is off target a lot. Ever since the injury he's been a different player. Do you think he will ever regain his pro bowl playoff form? Or is it something else. His receivers or maybe his coaches that's causing him to struggle lately?

Buckeyes_Doc · 09-30-2010, 06:09 PM

He will never get back to his Pro Bowl status. The Bengals went out this offseason and got him weapons, and he still can't do anything. He constantly misses open recievers and just doesn't look confident in the pocket anymore. I do not put any blame on the coaches or recievers, he has talent around him. The Bengals need to start looking at the future, we need a QB. Our defense is good, but I think Palmer will hold the Bengals back from getting deep into the playoffs or maybe into the playoffs at all.

ZM Punk · 09-30-2010, 06:11 PM

Palmer is nothing more than your run of the mill QB now and that will not change. The Bengals win in spite of Carson now, not because of him.

Senator Palmer · 09-30-2010, 06:25 PM

Let me be the first to say that there look like something just isn't there; missed passes, bad reads, etc. But I'm not ready to say that he's simply lost it. Let me see how things line up at the end of the season. Carson is a guy that needs time on task. He can't show up like Favre and turn anonymous guys into pro bowlers. He needs bonafide weapons and he needs reps with them.

Now, if you are referring to the knee injury as the culprit, I disagree. That's the common refrain from all the experts when the truth is that he was right back on the field for the start of the next season, put up a Pro Bowl season, and was named MVP of that game.

Post Knee Injury 2006

62.3 comp.% 4035 yds. 28 Tds. 13 Int. 93.9 Qb Rating

There are a myriad of reason for his struggles from the ever-evolving offensive system that shifted from a vertical passing offense to run heavy last year, to confused this year, the offensive line which is great at run blocking but struggles when it comes time to step back and pass block (RT being a huge culprit), the loss of TJ which even I underestimated, to the elbow which I think is the injury that everyone should be referencing when they talk about him losing his form.

Maybe the biggest reason, beyond even TJ could be Chris Henry, the one truly scary receiver that was on the roster last year and one of the best football players I have ever seen in person and I played with a few guys that went to the NFL. I wound up going out to watch training camp a few years in a row, and I have never seen a guy in person that made the game look as effortless as Chris Henry; big, fluid, fast, and his body control was amazing. Everyone talks about the subpar last season, but Carson was actually off to a good start until Henry went down against the Ravens. That was the moment they became easier to defend. From that point on the offense turned into run, run, pass, because he had no one to get down the field.

Here's what he looked like in the last full game that he played with Henry, against the Bears where it looked like the offense was hitting its stride.

Note the velocity and the perfect ball placement. I don't think that simply goes away in the space of a year. I could be wrong, but like I said, let me see how they look by the end of the year.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...mer-highlights

OSUFan_88 · 09-30-2010, 08:21 PM

Carson Palmer looks exactly like the QB I thought he'd be this year.

Unfortunately for both Bengals fans and NFL fans, Palmer looks like he'll never regain that form that he had.

steelcurtain311 · 10-01-2010, 10:22 AM

I never really thought it was the injury. He seems to throw fine in terms of strength, his timing and accuracy (and decision making) have been horrendous the past few seasons. He never seems like he's on the same page as his receivers.

WWF80sKid · 10-01-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckeyes_Doc


	He will never get back to his Pro Bowl status. The Bengals went out this offseason and got him weapons, and he still can't do anything. He constantly misses open recievers and just doesn't look confident in the pocket anymore. I do not put any blame on the coaches or recievers, he has talent around him. The Bengals need to start looking at the future, we need a QB. Our defense is good, but I think Palmer will hold the Bengals back from getting deep into the playoffs or maybe into the playoffs at all.

I agree 100%. Not sure why we aren't looking for a better QB. I don't think any of the QBs we have are that good at all.

lonewolf371 · 10-01-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt_GoBlue


	I agree 100%. Not sure why we aren't looking for a better QB. I don't think any of the QBs we have are that good at all.

I know Palmer isn't the best, but QBs don't exactly grow on trees.

09-30-2010, 05:07 PM	#1
oneamongthefence Nothing to see here folks OVR: 22 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Mississippi Posts: 5,566 Blog Entries: 6	Carson Palmer I like Carson Palmer but the last few years he seems to have lost his magic. He looks lost way too much and his throwing the ball he is off target a lot. Ever since the injury he's been a different player. Do you think he will ever regain his pro bowl playoff form? Or is it something else. His receivers or maybe his coaches that's causing him to struggle lately?

09-30-2010, 06:09 PM	#2
Buckeyes_Doc In Dalton I Trust OVR: 32 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 11,927	Re: Carson Palmer He will never get back to his Pro Bowl status. The Bengals went out this offseason and got him weapons, and he still can't do anything. He constantly misses open recievers and just doesn't look confident in the pocket anymore. I do not put any blame on the coaches or recievers, he has talent around him. The Bengals need to start looking at the future, we need a QB. Our defense is good, but I think Palmer will hold the Bengals back from getting deep into the playoffs or maybe into the playoffs at all. __________________ Ohio State - Reds - Bengals - Blackhawks - Bulls

09-30-2010, 06:11 PM	#3
ZM Punk We Spent Some Money! OVR: 32 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,260 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Carson Palmer Palmer is nothing more than your run of the mill QB now and that will not change. The Bengals win in spite of Carson now, not because of him. __________________ "The academic support at Ohio State, there is no way you can fail. Even if you're giving minimal effort there is no way you can fail." Adolphus Washington-Ohio State Freshman

09-30-2010, 06:25 PM	#4
Senator Palmer MVP OVR: 18 Join Date: Jul 2008	Re: Carson Palmer Let me be the first to say that there look like something just isn't there; missed passes, bad reads, etc. But I'm not ready to say that he's simply lost it. Let me see how things line up at the end of the season. Carson is a guy that needs time on task. He can't show up like Favre and turn anonymous guys into pro bowlers. He needs bonafide weapons and he needs reps with them. Now, if you are referring to the knee injury as the culprit, I disagree. That's the common refrain from all the experts when the truth is that he was right back on the field for the start of the next season, put up a Pro Bowl season, and was named MVP of that game. Post Knee Injury 2006 62.3 comp.% 4035 yds. 28 Tds. 13 Int. 93.9 Qb Rating There are a myriad of reason for his struggles from the ever-evolving offensive system that shifted from a vertical passing offense to run heavy last year, to confused this year, the offensive line which is great at run blocking but struggles when it comes time to step back and pass block (RT being a huge culprit), the loss of TJ which even I underestimated, to the elbow which I think is the injury that everyone should be referencing when they talk about him losing his form. Maybe the biggest reason, beyond even TJ could be Chris Henry, the one truly scary receiver that was on the roster last year and one of the best football players I have ever seen in person and I played with a few guys that went to the NFL. I wound up going out to watch training camp a few years in a row, and I have never seen a guy in person that made the game look as effortless as Chris Henry; big, fluid, fast, and his body control was amazing. Everyone talks about the subpar last season, but Carson was actually off to a good start until Henry went down against the Ravens. That was the moment they became easier to defend. From that point on the offense turned into run, run, pass, because he had no one to get down the field. Here's what he looked like in the last full game that he played with Henry, against the Bears where it looked like the offense was hitting its stride. Note the velocity and the perfect ball placement. I don't think that simply goes away in the space of a year. I could be wrong, but like I said, let me see how they look by the end of the year. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...mer-highlights __________________ "A man can only be beaten in two ways: if he gives up, or if he dies." Last edited by Senator Palmer; 09-30-2010 at 06:27 PM.

09-30-2010, 08:21 PM	#5
OSUFan_88 Outback Jesus OVR: 37 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 25,649	Re: Carson Palmer Carson Palmer looks exactly like the QB I thought he'd be this year. Unfortunately for both Bengals fans and NFL fans, Palmer looks like he'll never regain that form that he had. __________________ Too Old To Game Club Urban Meyer is lol.

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10-01-2010, 10:22 AM	#6
steelcurtain311 Banned OVR: 17 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: Carson Palmer I never really thought it was the injury. He seems to throw fine in terms of strength, his timing and accuracy (and decision making) have been horrendous the past few seasons. He never seems like he's on the same page as his receivers.