AFC North

[redsrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rancid Radio

I'd say the AFC North is the most competitive, NFC South is still on the rise but the AFC North is always a dogfight. Especially now with Cincy and Cleveland apparently on the up-swing, and don't forget that we're just two years removed from when Cincy stunned everyone and took this division.

It's gonna happen again.
That is a different story though

[ggsimmonds]

Here is what is great about the AFC North:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/te...sition/defense
Yards per game allowed:
1. Baltimore
2. Cincinnati
3. Pittsburgh
4. Cleveland

[cjonesfan921]

My ignorance will not allow me to say any division is better than the NFC East.

[Shibito]

Certainly a great division, but the AFC East is looking interesting now with the rise of the Bills. The Dolphins are still a joke, but Cleveland is no play-off contender at this time either.

I think the NFC North will be the most competitive in the near future. Green Bay has a talented young team, Chicago is a solid team every year, Detroit is on the rise, and Minnesota is going to have a scary offense.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by Shibito

Certainly a great division, but the AFC East is looking interesting now with the rise of the Bills. The Dolphins are still a joke, but Cleveland is no play-off contender at this time either. I think the NFC North will be the most competitive in the near future. Green Bay has a talented young team, Chicago is a solid team every year, Detroit is on the rise, and Minnesota is going to have a scary offense.

How are the Bills (4-2) on the "rise" but the Browns (3-3) are "no play-off contender"?

And if the Dolphins are still a joke, how is that division looking better when all 4 teams in the North are .500 or better?

Personally, I think the NFC North is still the top division now and going forward, with the NFC South a close second.

[Shibito]

Quote: Originally Posted by wwharton

How are the Bills (4-2) on the "rise" but the Browns (3-3) are "no play-off contender"? And if the Dolphins are still a joke, how is that division looking better when all 4 teams in the North are .500 or better? Personally, I think the NFC North is still the top division now and going forward, with the NFC South a close second.

The Brown's have beat the Colts by 8, the Dolphins by 1, and the Seahawks by 3...

They've lost to the Bengals by 10, Titans by 18, and Raiders by 7.

The Bills have beat the Chiefs by 34, Raiders by 3, Patriots by 3, and Eagles by 7.

And they only lost to the Giants and Bengals by 3 points each.

Big difference in quality of wins/losses there.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by Shibito

The Brown's have beat the Colts by 8, the Dolphins by 1, and the Seahawks by 3... They've lost to the Bengals by 10, Titans by 18, and Raiders by 7. The Bills have beat the Chiefs by 34, Raiders by 3, Patriots by 3, and Eagles by 7. And they only lost to the Giants and Bengals by 3 points each. Big difference in quality of wins/losses there.

You'll have to explain the difference more. The Steelers barely beat the Colts and the Seahawks beat the Giants (who beat the Bills). The Bills played the Chiefs right after they lost Charles who their entire offense was modeled around. The Bengals are 4-2 and the Eagles are a losing team right now.

It's the NFL... a win is a win. If we're going to dig into quality of wins we need to consider home/away, possibly weather, fluky play (should we assume Brady would throw 4 picks against them again?), other factors (like mentioned with the Chiefs), etc. And if we're going by preseason expectations (when talking about beating a team like the Eagles for example) then we'd have to assume that the Bills will level off to 7-9 or worse anyway. Bottom line is they're 4-2 and Cleveland is 3-3.

[Shibito]

Quote: Originally Posted by wwharton

You'll have to explain the difference more. The Steelers barely beat the Colts and the Seahawks beat the Giants (who beat the Bills). The Bills played the Chiefs right after they lost Charles who their entire offense was modeled around. The Bengals are 4-2 and the Eagles are a losing team right now. It's the NFL... a win is a win. If we're going to dig into quality of wins we need to consider home/away, possibly weather, fluky play (should we assume Brady would throw 4 picks against them again?), other factors (like mentioned with the Chiefs), etc. And if we're going by preseason expectations (when talking about beating a team like the Eagles for example) then we'd have to assume that the Bills will level off to 7-9 or worse anyway. Bottom line is they're 4-2 and Cleveland is 3-3.

Well there's no arguing that a win is a win, that's true for sure.

The Giant's lost to the Seahawks on a tipped ball which was pure luck for Seattle. And to be honest, IDK what to say about that Cleveland - Seattle game, that was... weird for an NFL game.

The Bills actually played KC week 1, while they still had Charles. I never bought into the Eagles hype because Vick is so shaky, yes he can be amazing, but he easily gets flustered and makes mistakes.