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Old 09-05-2013, 03:04 PM   #25
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Re: Week 1 MNF: Philadelphia at Washington

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Old 09-05-2013, 04:21 PM   #26
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Cole weight about 20 more lbs than Matthews or Smith, and even then all those guys play in coverage at some point. Cole is a true 4-3 DE moved to 3-4 OLB, Matthews and Smith were brought into the league as 3-4 OLB. Ware is a freak, so I refuse to compare Trent Cole to him. There will be growing pains for their defense this year, and despite the respect I have for Cole as a DE he is the guy I would go after on that defense early because I think he is a weakness as a 3-4 OLB. I could easily be worng, but only time will tell.

Your comments about Davis are just silly. That would be like me saying Jeremy Macklin is a bum. He is gonna do nothing this year. See how silly that looks. Hard to produce when you are on IR.
I agree with you on Cole, and if Philly cannot get a pass rush this putrid secondary will be toasted all year.

I hate our safeties and corners...,curious to see how Mychal Kendricks does in the 3-4.

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Old 09-05-2013, 06:45 PM   #27
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Cole weight about 20 more lbs than Matthews or Smith, and even then all those guys play in coverage at some point. Cole is a true 4-3 DE moved to 3-4 OLB, Matthews and Smith were brought into the league as 3-4 OLB. Ware is a freak, so I refuse to compare Trent Cole to him. There will be growing pains for their defense this year, and despite the respect I have for Cole as a DE he is the guy I would go after on that defense early because I think he is a weakness as a 3-4 OLB. I could easily be worng, but only time will tell.

Your comments about Davis are just silly. That would be like me saying Jeremy Macklin is a bum. He is gonna do nothing this year. See how silly that looks. Hard to produce when you are on IR.
Matthews wasn't. USC played a 4-3 under Pete Carroll and Matthews played his "elephant position". In a nutshell, it's a 4-3 DE with LB attributes. He didn't have a LB position open because USC had Cushing and Rivers and Maualuga when Matthews was there, but Matthews wasn't a prototypical 3-4 OLB when GB drafted him. He just happened to have good pass rushing skills from how he was coached and used in school. I believe Smith was used as a DE at Mizzou, but I didn't watch much of them.

(Also, Trent Cole is 270 lbs. Smith is listed at 263. Not that big of a difference.)

So, because Ware is exceptional, you won't compare him to anyone? That's cherry picking the argument. Anybody is fair game for comparison, provided it makes sense. In this case, I think it does. Both guys are pass rush specialists who are seeing their roles change. Ware wasn't used by Dallas much in coverage throughout his career and will find 4-3 DE to be a relatively easy change. If you don't like the Ware comparison, I might suggest Terrell Suggs. He's a little closer body type to Cole and plays both OLB and DE at times. Now, Cole isn't nearly as good as Suggs, but I'm not comparing their talents. Rather, I'm comparing their roles and responsibilities. I don't think the Eagles will allow Cole to play much in coverage. They'll use him as a pass rusher and let other LB's handle coverage duties.

Davis wasn't producing when he was healthy last year (which is my point). I don't care if he was hurt when he played. If you laced 'em up on Sunday, I'm going to assume you're good enough to play to your best. He had 2 games over 70 yards last year. Only one had more than 4 catches. Maclin had 11 such games last year- either 4+ catches or 70+ yards receiving.
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Re: Week 1 MNF: Philadelphia at Washington

I don't think anyone wants to get into a petulant discussion over the success or possible lack thereof of Trent Cole's switch to OLB, and I think you were way off base w/ the remark about Fred Davis... he was injured last year and never really developed a rapport w/ RGKnee.
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It's clear you didn't watch the games and are trying to make a judgement on Davis based on stats. This is a case where you should just take the word of those of us who actually watched.
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It's clear you didn't watch the games and are trying to make a judgement on Davis based on stats. This is a case where you should just take the word of those of us who actually watched.
And you think Fred Davis isn't a bum? He's Kellen Winslow Jr 2.0 if you ask me. Great athlete, average tight end. There are at least 15 tight ends I'd rather have than Davis.

I pulled the following quote off CBS Sports about Davis.

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If you don't want to blame Davis for his lack of production, blame Griffin. He's the one throwing the ball, after all. Maclin still produced with Foles throwing to him for what it's worth.
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And you think Fred Davis isn't a bum? He's Kellen Winslow Jr 2.0 if you ask me. Great athlete, average tight end. There are at least 15 tight ends I'd rather have than Davis.

I pulled the following quote off CBS Sports about Davis.


If you don't want to blame Davis for his lack of production, blame Griffin. He's the one throwing the ball, after all. Maclin still produced with Foles throwing to him for what it's worth.
An entire post with no real response to what I said. If I read something that basically says they're forming their opinion based on stats when I know better, I'm going to ignore it. You can do whatever you want with it. I watched the games, I know what Davis did and then he got hurt. It's not an opinion. Plenty of sites said how much of a bum Aaron Rodgers was because he hadn't started yet and dropped in the draft too. There's also a commercial about a girl that met a french model on the internet.

By the way, I wasn't the one who compared him to Maclin. But the comparison was saying that Maclin was a bum after this year. If we look at Maclin's stats after this year we can say he was garbage because he didn't catch anything. It's an extreme comparison but the point is it's a silly analysis... that's what you're doing with Davis. Even if it's said that he played in 7 games, he wasn't anywhere near healthy for most of last season.

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Re: Week 1 MNF: Philadelphia at Washington

Bottom line going into the Week 7 game vs the Giants Fred Davis was the teams leading receiver. That is a fact and can't be disputed. Also a fact, that of the 6 full games that Davis played in, he was the teams leading receiver yardage wise in 3 of the 6. Lastly, if you actually looks at his production in weeks 3-6 (his last 4 games of the 2012 season) he started to develop a connection with Griffin as he had 18 receptions for 260 yards on 20 targets.

You can say he is a "bum" and all, but He was actually the leading receiver prior to his injuries and his numbers were getting better with each passing week as his rookie QB became more comfortable with the offense. That said to each their own.
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