Which head coach will be first to fire ?

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by FaceMask

Even more successful coaches with better recent successes before being canned and better coaching histories overall have been canned. I recall Marty Schottenheimer getting the axe after going 14-2. .

This counters your point though, the firing of Marty turned out to be disastrous.

If you fire Garrett, who is out there that would be willing to work for Jerry that would be The Guy as you put it?

[SPTO]

I've been critical of Jerry Jones (hell I think everyone here at one point or another has been) but I think what's going on with Garrett has been a little different than other situations with his coaches. Yes, Garrett is definitely under Jones' thumb but unlike in the past Jerry has allowed Garrett to grow into the role. Garrett has finally found a formula that seems to be working. At the beginning of the year a lot of people predicted doom and gloom based on just how shaky the defense looks. Garrett rightfully came up with a more balanced offense and the emergence of Murray as a back who can carry the load has allowed them to play a style of ball that keeps the defense off the field.

This is the mark of a coach that's making strides. Another coach would be stubborn and continue to go with what worked in the past even though it has led to rather spectacular meltdowns in December. This year seems different, the Cowboys have shown some cracks at times this year but it hasn't become a full blown disaster and they're playing pretty well at the time of year everyone figures they'll fall apart. I think credit should be given to Garrett and his staff for allowing that to happen.

He may never be "The Guy" but I think he's becoming a pretty good coach. It's certainly a unique situation though kind of like how there was a symbiotic relationship between the Rooneys and Noll/Cowher. If Garrett was anywhere else i'm not sure if he'd be given the time and space to grow into his role. Jones has at the very least been a little less meddlesome with Garrett as he's been with past "Jerry's guys" at the head coach position.

[FaceMask]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

This counters your point though, the firing of Marty turned out to be disastrous.

But this counters how? I'm not following.

The breakup was messy, but the Chargers still made the playoffs 3 straight years with Norv Turner after that, including an AFC Championship Game. They never got that far with Marty.

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

If you fire Garrett, who is out there that would be willing to work for Jerry that would be The Guy as you put it?

There are good coaches out there, but as you touched on, working with Jones would be the main issue. Most head coaches today want more control than Jerry is likely willing to give.

[FaceMask]

Quote: Originally Posted by SPTO

If Garrett was anywhere else i'm not sure if he'd be given the time and space to grow into his role.

^This. Yes.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by SPTO

I've been critical of Jerry Jones (hell I think everyone here at one point or another has been) but I think what's going on with Garrett has been a little different than other situations with his coaches. Yes, Garrett is definitely under Jones' thumb but unlike in the past Jerry has allowed Garrett to grow into the role. Garrett has finally found a formula that seems to be working. At the beginning of the year a lot of people predicted doom and gloom based on just how shaky the defense looks. Garrett rightfully came up with a more balanced offense and the emergence of Murray as a back who can carry the load has allowed them to play a style of ball that keeps the defense off the field. This is the mark of a coach that's making strides. Another coach would be stubborn and continue to go with what worked in the past even though it has led to rather spectacular meltdowns in December. This year seems different, the Cowboys have shown some cracks at times this year but it hasn't become a full blown disaster and they're playing pretty well at the time of year everyone figures they'll fall apart. I think credit should be given to Garrett and his staff for allowing that to happen. He may never be "The Guy" but I think he's becoming a pretty good coach. It's certainly a unique situation though kind of like how there was a symbiotic relationship between the Rooneys and Noll/Cowher. If Garrett was anywhere else i'm not sure if he'd be given the time and space to grow into his role. Jones has at the very least been a little less meddlesome with Garrett as he's been with past "Jerry's guys" at the head coach position.

No kidding. He won't (and shouldn't) win the award, but right now he's in discussion for coach of the year.

Quote: Originally Posted by FaceMask

^This. Yes.

It sounds like all of your issues are from before this season. If they didn't fire him coming into the season, what he's done during the season DEFINITELY isn't going to get him fired.

[FaceMask]

Quote: Originally Posted by wwharton

It sounds like all of your issues are from before this season. If they didn't fire him coming into the season, what he's done during the season DEFINITELY isn't going to get him fired.

Me saying that he should be on the hotseat is very different from saying he IS on the hotseat which I didn't say. And yes, my issues with him as a Head Coach have largely to do with prior years, of course, history matters, it's why they keep records. But the main point is--and that SPTO picked up on--that in a different situation he probably wouldn't have even been given a chance to get to this point in the first place.

I'd also say that in any other situation, if he were to take this team to playoffs and be one and done considering his past history he probably would get canned. But as I've said, his relationship in Dallas has changed what normally would get a coach canned anywhere else. Similar thing with Marvin Lewis but to an even greater extent with Lewis since he's been in Cincy for 12 years and hasn't even won a single playoff game.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Hard to say what would happen in a different situation because we've seen teams/Owners let go of guys too soon and sometimes hang onto them for too long.

[Gridiron]

But yo, how many teams in todays NFL is hangin onto coaches who didn't make the playoffs for 4 straight years and had no head coaching experience before that to fall back on legacy? That actually sounds crazy when you think about it, lol.

Nah man. Garrett woulda got the boot somewhere else before this year started. I think hes an ah-ight middle of the road head coach. He could surprise me with a deep playoff run, but I dont see it. We'll see though.