Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

[sbauer318]

Re: Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

He's got some valid points, and 2k definitely mislead us when it came to the framerates and such.

I was really disappointed not just by the game, but by the overall marketing. How long did it take to get some media? I thought they would want to show off their new pitching, fielding and swing stick 2.0 much earlier than they did.

I do enjoy aspects of the game, but when I combine everything, this year felt unfinished, and/or rushed. And it's not just the game. Like I said above, the marketing felt half-assed, rushed, or unfinished (whatever you want to call it) as well. Being the only officially licensed third party MLB game, I thought things would be different. I was disappointed.

[spankdatazz22]

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Not to mention, if you've been here any amount of time at all, and have any knowledge of the history of this site, the mere thought that it's somehow anti-2k is beyond ridiculous.

Then why is there a thread in the Madden forum specifically for negative posts? That was seems to have been created about a week after the game was released? As I said a few weeks back, that courtesy isn't extended to any other game - EA, 2K, 989, or otherwise. I really don't care that it's there, just pointing out the differences.

I'm not saying there's an anti-2K bias. I'm saying that all games aren't held to the same standard. I know more about The Show just from reading about it in the 2K8 forum. However, even the slightest hint of a 2K/EA debate in the Madden forum is enough cause for it to be locked. I don't visit the NCAA forum enough to know if that would be the case. I'm not trying to tell anyone how things should be modded. Just saying that this forum has been pretty much a free-for-all since the game released - if someone in any way says something derogatory about The Show for example, you're going to see someone "set them straight" so to speak. And I'm guessing the same happens in The Show forum. You go to the Madden forum and there's one big negativity thread and a bunch of sterile threads

[bugblast]

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There is definitely anti 2k bias, and I would go so far as to say they shill for Sony. I might get banned for saying that, oh well.

[bkrich83]

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There is definitely anti 2k bias, and I would go so far as to say they shill for Sony. I might get banned for saying that, oh well.

You'd be wrong, and no where near being in the ballpark, but you are entitled to your opinion.

[bkrich83]

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Then why is there a thread in the Madden forum specifically for negative posts? That was seems to have been created about a week after the game was released? As I said a few weeks back, that courtesy isn't extended to any other game - EA, 2K, 989, or otherwise. I really don't care that it's there, just pointing out the differences.

I'm not saying there's an anti-2K bias. I'm saying that all games aren't held to the same standard. I know more about The Show just from reading about it in the 2K8 forum. However, even the slightest hint of a 2K/EA debate in the Madden forum is enough cause for it to be locked. I don't visit the NCAA forum enough to know if that would be the case. I'm not trying to tell anyone how things should be modded. Just saying that this forum has been pretty much a free-for-all since the game released - if someone in any way says something derogatory about The Show for example, you're going to see someone "set them straight" so to speak. And I'm guessing the same happens in The Show forum. You go to the Madden forum and there's one big negativity thread and a bunch of sterile threads

The reason for the Madden thread is because the same people kept repeating the same things over and over again. It really cluttered things up. I don't know about the state of those forums now, as I haven't ventured in to the Madden forums in sometime.

As someone who's been behind the scenes at this site, I can tell you, it's quite the opposite of what some people seem to be saying. If anything this has always been a pro-2k site.

As far as how the forums are modded, things for the most part in the baseball gaming forums seem to be much more civil, as opposed to the Madden forums where people and you know exactly who I am talking about seem to lose their minds.

As far as the APF thread not having one big thread for things wrong, I don't think people has as many problems with APF as they did with Madden, not to mention so many fewer people had the game, that having that thread really wasn't needed.

I know there are those that want to find a conspiracy at any chance, but there simply isn't one here.

[spankdatazz22]

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The reason for the Madden thread is because the same people kept repeating the same things over and over again. It really cluttered things up.

The same could easily be said in this forum. Very easily in fact.

As someone who's been behind the scenes at this site, I can tell you, it's quite the opposite of what some people seem to be saying. If anything this has always been a pro-2k site.

As I've said, it's not a matter of it being a pro-2K site or not. It's a matter of the games being judged fairly on their own merits.

As far as how the forums are modded, things for the most part in the baseball gaming forums seem to be much more civil, as opposed to the Madden forums where people and you know exactly who I am talking about seem to lose their minds.

Again, it's hard to say this forum is any more/less civil than any other. People say Madden sucks and has no redeeming value just as people have been saying MLB2K sucks and has no redeeming value. I'd say a big difference is there aren't OS-opinion pieces in the Madden forum saying why the gamers deserve a refund for Madden '08. And there isn't a thread to weed out the troublemakers...? rabble-rousers? in the MLB2K forum. Or any other forum for that matter.

As far as the APF thread not having one big thread for things wrong, I don't think people has as many problems with APF as they did with Madden, not to mention so many fewer people had the game, that having that thread really wasn't needed.

I know there are those that want to find a conspiracy at any chance, but there simply isn't one here.

I didn't mention APF actually. I think most people welcomed open discussion in that forum. But much in the way the baseball game was shot down early on because of the framerate and graphics, the same was done to APF (two biggest complaints - no franchise and the graphics). Funny neither had major complaints about gameplay, which we all used to value so much.

[bkrich83]

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The same could easily be said in this forum. Very easily in fact.

Not even close. This forum has been much more civil than the Madden forums ever have been. Night and day.

As I've said, it's not a matter of it being a pro-2K site or not. It's a matter of the games being judged fairly on their own merits.

How has 2k8 not been judged fairly on it's own merits?

Again, it's hard to say this forum is any more/less civil than any other. People say Madden sucks and has no redeeming value just as people have been saying MLB2K sucks and has no redeeming value. I'd say a big difference is there aren't OS-opinion pieces in the Madden forum saying why the gamers deserve a refund for Madden '08. And there isn't a thread to weed out the troublemakers...? rabble-rousers? in the MLB2K forum. Or any other forum for that matter.

OS was a completely different format when Madden came out. I think it's quite probable you would have seen similiar pieces about Madden if the site was configured as it is now around Madden release time. There isn't a thread here like there is in Madden, because as of yet, it's simply not needed. It's in the Madden forum, as an extreme measure. And that was after MONTHS of Madden being out, not a week and a half.

You're looking for something that simply isn't there. Or just trying to cloud the picture of the shortfalls of the 2k baseball game by muddying the water with false assumptions.

[awesomepatrol]

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I'd like to say that it's highly amusing that this debate is still going on.

Here's a brief recap for anyone that doesn't feel like reading all the posts.

- People disappointed with 2K8: "I don't like this game. The frame-rate renders it unplayable, it's even worse if you want to play online, the audio is precisely the same as 2K7, the crowd is no longer interactive, it freezes constantly, etc."

- Response: "But Madden had a separate thread for negative comments!"

If only 2K8 were as amusing as this thread. . . .

[spankdatazz22]

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Not even close. This forum has been much more civil than the Madden forums ever have been. Night and day.

You do realize there are some people calling 2K devs outright liars and punks in this forum - literally. And quite regularly. I don't recall ever seeing that level of venom being directed towards developers. You and I have bickered more back and forth the past couple hours than I've seen in most forums for weeks. And that's just us.

I'll just agree to disagree w/you. Not even sure what I'm disagreeing about at this point; I've sidetracked the thread enough.

[CS10029]

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I'd like to say that it's highly amusing that this debate is still going on.

Here's a brief recap for anyone that doesn't feel like reading all the posts.

- People disappointed with 2K8: "I don't like this game. The frame-rate renders it unplayable, it's even worse if you want to play online, the audio is precisely the same as 2K7, the crowd is no longer interactive, it freezes constantly, etc."

- Response: "But Madden had a separate thread for negative comments!"

If only 2K8 were as amusing as this thread. . . .

Like really dude, why add fuel to the fire, thats a stupid post.

I think the main point here is that the people that like this game and people that dislike this game will never agree. Im over caring what the people that dislike it think. They don't need to play it and I don't have to listen to them. So, while neither this game or The Show are perfect, I can appreciate the improvements from last years version to this years version. I feel thats the only fair comparison to make for this game, and when it comes down to that I'm happy with my purchase. I hope the people that are disappointed this year can find another game to play until next year and hopefully by then we will all be in agreement on this game. Heres to baseball!

[spankdatazz22]

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Here's a brief recap for anyone that doesn't feel like reading all the posts.

- People disappointed with 2K8: "I don't like this game. The frame-rate renders it unplayable, it's even worse if you want to play online, the audio is precisely the same as 2K7, the crowd is no longer interactive, it freezes constantly, etc."

If only 2K8 were as amusing as this thread. . . .

Yet again, since you're unable to properly articulate your issues with the game you have to overstate everything. The game doesn't freeze constantly. The crowd isn't completely devoid of interaction. The audio isn't exactly the same as 2K7. The framerate doesn't render the game unplayable.

And yet again, no mention of gameplay issues.

The issues you did mention are all legitimate issues, but overstated and overblown by those arguing that they make the game completely unplayable. That's all that's been being debated

[bkrich83]

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You do realize there are some people calling 2K devs outright liars and punks in this forum - literally. And quite regularly. I don't recall ever seeing that level of venom being directed towards developers. You and I have bickered more back and forth the past couple hours than I've seen in most forums for weeks. And that's just us.

I'll just agree to disagree w/you. Not even sure what I'm disagreeing about at this point; I've sidetracked the thread enough.

To be fair, Brinkman did flat out lie when it came to framerates. They are no where near the 60 FPS he said they were running at. And he went out and specificially mentioned how smooth it ran on the PS3, when that's no where near being close to the truth.

And no where near the venom that's leveled at the NCAA and Madden developers? Are you kidding me? Those guys get killed every year around release time. With everything from being called lazy to liars. Nice selective memory though.

[bkrich83]

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The audio isn't exactly the same as 2K7. The framerate doesn't render the game unplayable.

Actually the audio is exactly the same as last year. I believe the Devs have even said so.

As far as framerate being unplayable or not, that varies from person to person. I can look past it, while I can see why others would not be able to. They are pretty bad at times on the PS3 for sure.

There are a lot of things you can defend on this game. It's controls, the ball physics, etc.

Audio, presentation and framerates are really not defensible topics.

[HealyMonster]

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LMAO @ the people who are taking shots at OS. this is the most moderated and well run site as far as gaming goes on the net. I been here long time. pretty much garbage gets called garbage and good stuff gets called good stuff i have never felt or seen an anti 2k or ea agenda with this site. up until recently most of the comments were user generated anyway and fans each have their own opinion so you cant label the site as anti 2k. lol. just ridiculous.

[CS10029]

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LMAO @ the people who are taking shots at OS. this is the most moderated and well run site as far as gaming goes on the net. I been here long time. pretty much garbage gets called garbage and good stuff gets called good stuff i have never felt or seen an anti 2k or ea agenda with this site. up until recently most of the comments were user generated anyway and fans each have their own opinion so you cant label the site as anti 2k. lol. just ridiculous.

I think people here would kist like to see someone praise the game. I feel it deserves some type of it. Nothing from OS officially has really be positive, and the regulars on this particular forum, for the most part, are happy with the game.