Fight Night Round 4 Announced, Mike Tyson Featured

[bigeastbumrush]

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Things that need to be addressed immediately:

1. Get rid of the parrying animation...just awful.

Tyson or no Tyson, I'm not paying one red cent for this unless this^^^ issue is fixed and completely 100% removed from the game.

That's all.

[thelwig14]

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Tyson or no Tyson, I'm not paying one red cent for this unless this^^^ issue is fixed and completely 100% removed from the game.

That's all.

Agreed. Worst addition I have ever seen in a sports game. And most unrealistic.

[thelwig14]

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Quick Tillis, Blood Green, Ribalta, Bonecrusher, Tucker, Holmes, Bruno, Buster, Holyfield, Botha, and Lennox. Rewatch these fights, closely, on mute, and then we can discuss matchups. But if you have any sense, objectivity, and knowledge of the game, we will agree on the possible outcomes of a 5'9 fighter against all the greats.

[stizz]

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Small clip on IGN http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/869/869065p1.html.

[Money99]

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This is sad; the small excitement (very small sadly) that Prizefighter created has just went down the toilet. Just by announcing Mike Tyson will be in the game.

I really hope they use the prime version not the bald over the hill version with the tattoo on his face. I just can't for the life of me understand why they create the older and slower version of Holyfield either.

Please give us Tyson, Holyfield, and other boxers in there prime.

Probably because Holyfield is still boxing.

And I hope they give us '88 Tyson as well. It'll be fun to recreate bouts against some of the other greats.

But as excited as I am about hearing Tyson will be in this game I hope the gameplay is much better than what was in Rd.3. That title shouldn't even call itself a boxing game.

[mr_president]

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I'm not sure Ali could've kept a full on Tyson bum rush at bay with his jab. When Tyson came on the scene he was a phenomenon even after a great 70's decade of heavyweight boxing. It'll always be one of those great era vs. era debates. I like Tyson's chances against anyone in history.

wow, you giive ali absolutely no credit....
his jab was one of the best in the game,his speed and power are 2nd to none.

mike tyson has never ever faced anyone of ali's caliber, but ali has faced a few tysons(foreman,frazier)
tysons 'BUMRUSH" only worked on bums.....you think holyfield picked him apart,ali would have humiliated the best version of tyson, just by floating on the ouside feeding him beautiful combinatios. a prime mike tyson was not smart enough or skilled enough to beat a prime ali.

it get's no smoother than this

[Money99]

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wow, you giive ali absolutely no credit....
his jab was one of the best in the game,his speed and power are 2nd to none.

mike tyson has never ever faced anyone of ali's caliber, but ali has faced a few tysons(foreman,frazier)
tysons 'BUMRUSH" only worked on bums.....you think holyfield picked him apart,ali would have humiliated the best version of tyson, just by floating on the ouside feeding him beautiful combinatios. a prime mike tyson was not smart enough or skilled enough to beat a prime ali.

it get's no smoother than this

First, Frasier and Foreman aren't even close to the same kind of fighter Tyson was. Neither of them had as much speed or power in both hands. Tyson could kill you with a left or right hand.

Also, a PRIME Ali was getting trounced by B+ fighter Henry Cooper. If not for Dundee's quick thinking Ali would have been KTFO.

Lastly, no matter how many Tyson-haters protest, there is a HUGE difference between Rooney-Tyson and Don King-Tyson. The guy Holyfield fought was a shadow of the Tyson that destroyed Spinks.

Nobody can say for sure if Tyson would have beaten Ali or vice-versa. But that little clip doesn't prove jack. That fighter was trying to land jabs from the outside. Tyson didn't throw jabs to necessarily hurt anyone, it was to prevent them from firing punches at him so he could get inside. If Ali did the same thing there to Tyson, Mike would have already been within inches of Ali firing 4-6 punches to his rib cage.
People forget how quick Tyson's feet were. And not in the sense that he was a dancer. It was more like Barry Sanders quickness. He'd jump in, out and side-to-side, giving him multipel angles to fire short uppercuts and hooks.
People always say Mike never faced anything like Ali, well Ali had never faced anything like a Prime Mike Tyson. Nobody else in history had his combination of speed, power, foot speed or tenacity. The man threw punches combinations like a welterweight but with heavyweight power.
And that's why people, young and old, are still grasping on to a fighter that hasn't been relevant or in his prime for 2 decades. If there was nothing special about Tyson or if he was THAT overrated, then why has he stayed so popular? And it's not because of all the garbage he did post jail. It was because what he did in the ring - style wise - had never been done by anyone in the history of the sport.

[mr_president]

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First, Frasier and Foreman aren't even close to the same kind of fighter Tyson was. Neither of them had as much speed or power in both hands. Tyson could kill you with a left or right hand.

Also, a PRIME Ali was getting trounced by B+ fighter Henry Cooper. If not for Dundee's quick thinking Ali would have been KTFO.

Lastly, no matter how many Tyson-haters protest, there is a HUGE difference between Rooney-Tyson and Don King-Tyson. The guy Holyfield fought was a shadow of the Tyson that destroyed Spinks.

Nobody can say for sure if Tyson would have beaten Ali or vice-versa. But that little clip doesn't prove jack. That fighter was trying to land jabs from the outside. Tyson didn't throw jabs to necessarily hurt anyone, it was to prevent them from firing punches at him so he could get inside. If Ali did the same thing there to Tyson, Mike would have already been within inches of Ali firing 4-6 punches to his rib cage.
People forget how quick Tyson's feet were. And not in the sense that he was a dancer. It was more like Barry Sanders quickness. He'd jump in, out and side-to-side, giving him multipel angles to fire short uppercuts and hooks.
People always say Mike never faced anything like Ali, well Ali had never faced anything like a Prime Mike Tyson. Nobody else in history had his combination of speed, power, foot speed or tenacity. The man threw punches combinations like a welterweight but with heavyweight power.
And that's why people, young and old, are still grasping on to a fighter that hasn't been relevant or in his prime for 2 decades. If there was nothing special about Tyson or if he was THAT overrated, then why has he stayed so popular? And it's not because of all the garbage he did post jail. It was because what he did in the ring - style wise - had never been done by anyone in the history of the sport.

Tyson didn't throw jabs to necessarily hurt anyone, it was to prevent them from firing punches at him so he could get inside.

this would be one weakness against mike tyson in a fight with ali.

mike tyson had excellent hand speed, but no one in the heavyweight division has ever matched ali's speed, footwork and power.

mike tyson had decent footwork, but his balance has always been off, even with rooney he had terrible,terrible balance.
holyfield exposed tysons weaknesses. once he proved that tyson could not intimidate him(removing one of his weapons) he exploited tysons horrible balance, something that tony tucker was on to but didn't have the skill set or smarts to formulate a plan to capitalize and defeat mike.

Lastly, no matter how many Tyson-haters protest, there is a HUGE difference between Rooney-Tyson and Don King-Tyson. The guy Holyfield fought was a shadow of the Tyson that destroyed Spinks.

you mean the overrated michael spinks who was handed a decision over larry holmes??? you mean the spinks that has beaten absolutely no one of any credit???(other than said gifts over larry holmes??)

you can't say tyson was a shell of himself and then use the spinks fight as a reference because spinks was past his prime(if he ha one) in that fight....as a matter of fact that was the last fight for spink's(can't get anymore past your prime than that)

prior to tysons fight with holyfield he fought 8 times 6 of witch were stopped early, no complaints from the fans, but as soon as he loses holyfield the excuses rolled in...and don't use the past his prime excuse because holyfield is 4 years older than tyson, and has been in the game just as long.....in the rematch wit hholyfield mike was defeated before he climbed into the ring just because he couldn't let go of his first defeat at the hands of holyfield.

there is nothing that mike tyson does better in the ring than ali, but you can't say the same thing about ali.


ali's speed,power,footwork, and ring savy would embarrass tyson, and tyson getting more and more frustrated as the fight goes on woud walk right into a sweet combo.


7 rounds.

If there was nothing special about Tyson or if he was THAT overrated, then why has he stayed so popular?

he provided entertainment, he knocked people out and that's what fans wanted to see, and he did it frequently.

[jwolf02]

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please please please "fix" aka redo the career mode.

[thelwig14]

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I love the differentiation between a Rooney-Tyson and everything else using the crowning achievement of beating a retired light heavyweight who was simply getting a paycheck. Especially when the Rooney-Tyson had some really bad fights.

I agree with Money in that many, many people pretend the Cooper fight doesn't exist.

But regardless, Tyson was awesome and his bumrush technique and the speed and power of his combinations were amazing. But a 5'9 fighter can not be effective against ATG's because Tyson's style is and always will be easy to counter for an ATG.

[mr_president]

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I love the differentiation between a Rooney-Tyson and everything else using the crowning achievement of beating a retired light heavyweight who was simply getting a paycheck. Especially when the Rooney-Tyson had some really bad fights.

I agree with Money in that many, many people pretend the Cooper fight doesn't exist.

But regardless, Tyson was awesome and his bumrush technique and the speed and power of his combinations were amazing. But a 5'9 fighter can not be effective against ATG's because Tyson's style is and always will be easy to counter for an ATG.

i'm not pretending the cooper fight didn' exist, and i never said ali was completely unbeatable(frazier,spinks,norton,holmes,burbeck(th e last 2 fights should never have happened))

...but why the focus on the cooper fight?? is it becaus ali went down or because of the glove incident that has more than 1 story?? i have seen the footage of the cooper fight, and the claims that ali received extra rest in excess of 3 minutes, and that the ref went to get new gloves(not true) is greatly exagerated, at the most it was 6 seconds....and the fight was subsiquently stopped, as was the rematch.(both in london,so no home cooking)

[Money99]

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i'm not pretending the cooper fight didn' exist, and i never said ali was completely unbeatable(frazier,spinks,norton,holmes,burbeck(th e last 2 fights should never have happened))

...but why the focus on the cooper fight?? is it becaus ali went down or because of the glove incident that has more than 1 story?? i have seen the footage of the cooper fight, and the claims that ali received extra rest in excess of 3 minutes, and that the ref went to get new gloves(not true) is greatly exagerated, at the most it was 6 seconds....and the fight was subsiquently stopped, as was the rematch.(both in london,so no home cooking)

But Angelo Dundee himself has said Ali was in a LOT of trouble and if he hadn't torn his glove more, the fight would have been over in the next round. He said Ali was in la-la land when he came to his stool.

I guess my whole point is not to make Tyson sound greater than he was but that in my mind, Ali has always been a bit overrated.
His political views and bombastic personality helped create an aura about him as well.

What I've always loved about Ali was his heart. He never quit and really never was stopped in true fashion. But I don't think he was the greatest boxer of all time. P4P, Ray Robinson was head-and-shoulders above Ali. The man was unbeatable at 147. Ali can't say the same as he had many difficult fights with some lower class talent.

Regarding Tyson being past his prime compared to Holyfield, while their ages aren't that different, Tyson had a lot more fights than Holyfield. He had over 30 fights before he was 22 years old. And his style does not dictate for a long career.

I also find it funny how people dismiss Spinks as overrated. Prior to the fight there were a number of boxing 'experts' that felt he could win.
And this was the man that beat the undefeated Larry Holmes - a legit heavyweight legend. Whether or not he got a gift decision, he was in both those fights giving Holmes fits. Tyson absolutely demolished that same Spinks.

I've also read where former trainers that worked with both Holyfield and Tyson say that Tyson had more talent in his pinky than Holyfield had in his whole body. That says a lot about both fighters. I have no problem with people questioning his heart and his mental stability or his work ethic. But when Tyson's head was right and he was training with Rooney, it's hard to argue that he wasn't one of the most destructive and impressive forces boxing has ever seen.

People alway say that Ali would have played with Tyson, but I don't think it would be as one-sided as some people think.
It could very well be that Ali would have worn Tyson down and won in the late rounds or with a decision. But I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities that Tyson could have swarmed and caught Ali early. His handspeed was just as fast as Ali's, maybe even faster, and he could sure-as-poop hit harder.

[LP]

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I hate to say the ol' "styles make fights" thing again, but it is true. If Buster kept Tyson at bay, landing jabs and eventually the finishing blow, I have no doubt that Ali would've done the same.

[thelwig14]

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i'm not pretending the cooper fight didn' exist, and i never said ali was completely unbeatable(frazier,spinks,norton,holmes,burbeck(th e last 2 fights should never have happened))

...but why the focus on the cooper fight?? is it becaus ali went down or because of the glove incident that has more than 1 story?? i have seen the footage of the cooper fight, and the claims that ali received extra rest in excess of 3 minutes, and that the ref went to get new gloves(not true) is greatly exagerated, at the most it was 6 seconds....and the fight was subsiquently stopped, as was the rematch.(both in london,so no home cooking)

No, I agree with you, and you obviously know your history, I am just making the point that people in hindsight think (not you) certain boxers are invincible, when things couldn't be further from the truth. Ali is the GOAT (not based on head to head mythical matchups, but that is an opinion of course), but he had numerous fights where you could blast him.

Tyson is a great example. In your mind and years later, you have this image in your mind of Tyson destroying people. But when I revisited all of his fights round by round after I bought his career on dvd about 4 years ago, you really see a different picture. He was a super entertaining fighter, no one can dispute that, but he had gross deficiencies that would never allow him (aside from a lucky punch, so out of 10 fights) to beat the taller ATG's (though I think he would beat Holmes because Holmes is the most grossly overrated ATG ever).

[allBthere]

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now THAT's how you get people excited!

forget tyson though...i'm all about the glancing blows and rough inside fighting/ new physics. EA's rosters have been notoriously weak (3 evander's = 3 boxers!?!? etc.)