NCAA Football 09 Owen Schmitt vs DeSean Jackson OS Exclusive Video

[SageInfinite]

Re: NCAA Football 09 Owen Schmitt vs DeSean Jackson OS Exclusive Video

*sigh* here we go yet again

[FlyingFinn]

Re: NCAA Football 09 Owen Schmitt vs DeSean Jackson OS Exclusive Video

Thats what bums me out. What is the point of playing D if you can just run backwards then throw the ball?

I like the movement of the players a lot more then the old clunky versions though..I will say that.

What will the online difficulty be? If everyone is playing on Varity or the medium setting, then running backwards will be commonplace.

It doesn't matter the difficultly as it seems to be more important to drop back 20 yds as the difficultly goes up.

As for the no momentum... I am not liking that 1 bit. This new branching animation stuff has everyone on field moving around like ants on speed. I can see the left/right/left on the stick ala 2k4 being a money move in this game.

[noplace]

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I think it's kind of distracting that there's no momentum. The game definitely looks good from a graphical standpoint. The QB guess the coverage thing was nice; could've been cooler if presented better. But during the whole video I don't think I gave the OL/DL/LBs a second thought. It's much like the earlier hi-def IGN video where the game appears to be fun w/two players. Watching players zip around the field with little to no regard for anything in this video seems like it might get tiring pretty quickly. As would having people backpedal forever and still throw strikes. Seems like they're definitely going back to the "speed kills" gameplay of PS2 '04 version; just not sure if it's going to have as much substance as that game had gameplay-wise.

I've come to realize that EA just cant make a true to life sim & this is the only way I will ever be able to enjoy the game. I cant understand why the pocket issue & interactions havent been addressed though we've complained for yrs but guess what? Its not changing anytime soo so I'm just rolling with it. They have the license & have finally broke me down..They win! lol

[LBzrule]

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The 20 yd. dropback is still in full effect I see.

If the 20 yard dropback is in I can almost guarantee nano blitzing will be there too. Also, let's realize that the difficulty level is not going to change the fact that it can be done. We go through this every year and say well they were playing on Pro or Freshman or whatever, then when we get the game we realize that it doesn't matter what they were playing on, the same thing is possible on all levels.

[noplace]

Re: NCAA Football 09 Owen Schmitt vs DeSean Jackson OS Exclusive Video

If the 20 yard dropback is in I can almost guarantee nano blitzing will be there too. Also, let's realize that the difficulty level is not going to change the fact that it can be done. We go through this every year and say well they were playing on Pro or Freshman or whatever, then when we get the game we realize that it doesn't matter what they were playing on, the same thing is possible on all levels.

True..So true! Its not the level of play, its programing. Sigh

[spankdatazz22]

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I've come to realize that EA just cant make a true to life sim & this is the only way I will ever be able to enjoy the game. I cant understand why the pocket issue & interactions havent been addressed though we've complained for yrs but guess what? Its not changing anytime soo so I'm just rolling with it. They have the license & have finally broke me down..They win! lol

I don't think they have to make a pure simulation game for it to be enjoyable myself, I just think it'd be good if the game forced users to adhere more to traditional football concepts. On one play, the QB was moving so fast from one side to the other it seemed like he ran back towards the defensive pursuit on purpose as if to taunt them. What was in this video looked custom-built for the tournament style players some people say are ruining the game. It's really not the players, it's the game itself. As LBz just pointed out about the 20yd drop and the nano-blitzes - it's almost like you have to have one in to counter the other. Particularly if Tiburon's not going to do the work to properly fix either of them. It's that rock/paper/scissors approach that's making the game more shallow than it should be imo.

[LBzrule]

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It's that rock/paper/scissors approach that's making the game more shallow than it should be imo.

And as I posted in another thread it is this formula that is the foundation of their football games and it has been the foundation for the majority of football games that were made and it all stems from the game that started it all, Tecmo Bowl. I don't think we really realize the impact Tecmo Bowl has on football games. The rock/paper/scissors approach to Tecmo Bowl has been a foundation for most games. The game was not about being realistic, it was about having fun. Everything was secondary to having fun.

EA's goal is to first produce a fun football game. I think for alot of us here on this board, Visual Concepts created sorta a problem. I love them to death, but they created a problem for us as well as for themselves. Most of the complaints about EA's game are along the lines of what VC has done with respect to blocking, tackling ect., Thus, what people want is for EA to be VC. The bad news for those people is EA is very much EA and they are going to stick to their formula because history shows that it works, it sells, it moves units. Now on the flip side, visual concepts did some things with the blocking and tackling that IMO are now dated, but the current state of games reveals that even those dated things were before their time.

But here is the important point. What they did is taken very lightly. And, it has not been shown where and why it matters. That's one reason why I think EA is not hasty in doing all that work. Their traditional formula has shown that it works, it moves units, it sells. All that stuff that VC did that many of us want them to do, I'd have to assume in their minds, it hasn't been shown where that stuff should take priority or why it matters.

I think Take Two and even Sega did VC an injustice in their WEAK marketing campaigns. They never highlighted these things and showed why it matters and why these things should become standards in football games and now they are receding into the background as somewhat irrelevant on the development side. At the end of the day, I understand EA. I don't necessarily agree, but I understand they are developing on a practical level. This formula of fun first, rock/paper/scissors, it is what put football games on the map, it is what moves units. Everything else is secondary

[JBucc]

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I do find it kind of funny that guys who play football for a living still drop back 20 yards and roll out every play. I would like to see a QB play to see if he even attempts to stay in the pocket.

[mercalnd]

Re: NCAA Football 09 Owen Schmitt vs DeSean Jackson OS Exclusive Video

And as I posted in another thread it is this formula that is the foundation of their football games and it has been the foundation for the majority of football games that were made and it all stems from the game that started it all, Tecmo Bowl. I don't think we really realize the impact Tecmo Bowl has on football games. The rock/paper/scissors approach to Tecmo Bowl has been a foundation for most games. The game was not about being realistic, it was about having fun. Everything was secondary to having fun.

EA's goal is to first produce a fun football game. I think for alot of us here on this board, Visual Concepts created sorta a problem. I love them to death, but they created a problem for us as well as for themselves. Most of the complaints about EA's game are along the lines of what VC has done with respect to blocking, tackling ect., Thus, what people want is for EA to be VC. The bad news for those people is EA is very much EA and they are going to stick to their formula because history shows that it works, it sells, it moves units. Now on the flip side, visual concepts did some things with the blocking and tackling that IMO are now dated, but the current state of games reveals that even those dated things were before their time.

But here is the important point. What they did is taken very lightly. And, it has not been shown where and why it matters. That's one reason why I think EA is not hasty in doing all that work. Their traditional formula has shown that it works, it moves units, it sells. All that stuff that VC did that many of us want them to do, I'd have to assume in their minds, it hasn't been shown where that stuff should take priority or why it matters.

I think Take Two and even Sega did VC an injustice in their WEAK marketing campaigns. They never highlighted these things and showed why it matters and why these things should become standards in football games and now they are receding into the background as somewhat irrelevant on the development side. At the end of the day, I understand EA. I don't necessarily agree, but I understand they are developing on a practical level. This formula of fun first, rock/paper/scissors, it is what put football games on the map, it is what moves units. Everything else is secondary

Absolutely stellar post.

[SageInfinite]

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And as I posted in another thread it is this formula that is the foundation of their football games and it has been the foundation for the majority of football games that were made and it all stems from the game that started it all, Tecmo Bowl. I don't think we really realize the impact Tecmo Bowl has on football games. The rock/paper/scissors approach to Tecmo Bowl has been a foundation for most games. The game was not about being realistic, it was about having fun. Everything was secondary to having fun.

EA's goal is to first produce a fun football game. I think for alot of us here on this board, Visual Concepts created sorta a problem. I love them to death, but they created a problem for us as well as for themselves. Most of the complaints about EA's game are along the lines of what VC has done with respect to blocking, tackling ect., Thus, what people want is for EA to be VC. The bad news for those people is EA is very much EA and they are going to stick to their formula because history shows that it works, it sells, it moves units. Now on the flip side, visual concepts did some things with the blocking and tackling that IMO are now dated, but the current state of games reveals that even those dated things were before their time.

But here is the important point. What they did is taken very lightly. And, it has not been shown where and why it matters. That's one reason why I think EA is not hasty in doing all that work. Their traditional formula has shown that it works, it moves units, it sells. All that stuff that VC did that many of us want them to do, I'd have to assume in their minds, it hasn't been shown where that stuff should take priority or why it matters.

I think Take Two and even Sega did VC an injustice in their WEAK marketing campaigns. They never highlighted these things and showed why it matters and why these things should become standards in football games and now they are receding into the background as somewhat irrelevant on the development side. At the end of the day, I understand EA. I don't necessarily agree, but I understand they are developing on a practical level. This formula of fun first, rock/paper/scissors, it is what put football games on the map, it is what moves units. Everything else is secondary

I said in another thread the game reminds me of a college version of Tecmo Bowl with next gen graphics.

[bkrich83]

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I think Take Two and even Sega did VC an injustice in their WEAK marketing campaigns. They never highlighted these things and showed why it matters and why these things should become standards in football games and now they are receding into the background as somewhat irrelevant on the development side. At the end of the day, I understand EA. I don't necessarily agree, but I understand they are developing on a practical level. This formula of fun first, rock/paper/scissors, it is what put football games on the map, it is what moves units. Everything else is secondary

Truer words have never been spoken. Sega/VC's marketing has always been and continues to be their weak link.

I see where EA is coming from, it's what sells games, I am with you I don't agree with it, but it's working.

[bkrich83]

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The 20 yd. dropback is still in full effect I see.

I am afraid, this will always be a problem in their games. It's been a problem in pretty much every football game. It's worse further due to the fact the offensive tackles basically stone the rush ends at the LOS.

The game is what it is, at this point. That being said, I am with skyboxer, NCAA has been the game I have had the most fun with for the last several years. The only year I really didn't play much was 2004, when NFL 2k5 was what I thought at the time the best football game ever, and NCAA 2005, was in my opinion their worst effort ever.

[SageInfinite]

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I am afraid, this will always be a problem in their games. It's been a problem in pretty much every football game. It's worse further due to the fact the offensive tackles basically stone the rush ends at the LOS.

The game is what it is, at this point. That being said, I am with skyboxer, NCAA has been the game I have had the most fun with for the last several years. The only year I really didn't play much was 2004, when NFL 2k5 was what I thought at the time the best football game ever, and NCAA 2005, was in my opinion their worst effort ever.

Totally agree.

[rudyjuly2]

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The game looks like a lot of fun and I can't wait for the demo and game. Its so much more explosive than last year.

As for the whole sim argument, I disagree that you can't see enough of a difference between a pocket QB or a running QB. QB accuracy and throwing strength do mean a lot. At default levels there might not be enough of a difference but with slider tweaks to QB accuracy, you really see the difference. I almost always recruited pocket guys because running QB were lousy to throw with.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: NCAA Football 09 Owen Schmitt vs DeSean Jackson OS Exclusive Video

I am afraid, this will always be a problem in their games. It's been a problem in pretty much every football game. It's worse further due to the fact the offensive tackles basically stone the rush ends at the LOS.

I hope they do implement some changes to this in the future engines. It sucks that a DE can't create contact with an OT and still keep moving as it really hurts the outside rush. I usually don't play on the DL that much so its not as much of a bother for me.