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  • LIGHTNING
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    • Jul 2002
    • 1610

    #31
    Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

    When you are watching videos and screen shots keep in mind you are seeing what they want you to see. Lots of companys do this though and it is great marketing and I would do the same. I do not want to discourage anyone please understand. It certainly looks improved, but we will not know how much better the game is until about a week after it is launched.

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    • BezO
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      • Jul 2004
      • 4414

      #32
      Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

      Man, I come out of one post with a bit of enthusiasm and into this one to be taken back down.

      Originally posted by edubbs
      Meh.....

      DE's are still getting thrown to the grown like ragdolls, instead of getting up field to force the QB to step up in the pocket.
      Yeah, that 2nd play didn't look good. And the 1st play was worse with the left OT & OG off in the distance waiting for the kicker to blitz off the sideline while the DE is sacking the QB. Absolutely no recognition of the DE.

      But Collingsworth sounded good. That's the type of play specific commentary I've been waiting for. Too bad he didn't mention the inept blocking on that 1st play. The key will be if they add to his commentary next year or if we're stuck with these lines until they change commentators again.
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      • BrianFifaFan
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        • Oct 2003
        • 4137

        #33
        Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

        Originally posted by BezO
        Man, I come out of one post with a bit of enthusiasm and into this one to be taken back down.

        Yeah, that 2nd play didn't look good. And the 1st play was worse with the left OT & OG off in the distance waiting for the kicker to blitz off the sideline while the DE is sacking the QB. Absolutely no recognition of the DE.

        But Collingsworth sounded good. That's the type of play specific commentary I've been waiting for. Too bad he didn't mention the inept blocking on that 1st play. The key will be if they add to his commentary next year or if we're stuck with these lines until they change commentators again.
        It's kinda weird how one play will look like "man that was a great block." And then in the same vid or another you're like WTF was that? I have the same problem with Fifa's vaunted 35 point decision engine. (which I have a feeling is somehow involved in the coding for this game,too.) In that game the AI is really hit or miss. Sometimes the game flows so smooth and all of the decisions make sense. Then you'll have the AI seemingly get confused as to what it's supposed to be doing. And then it either doesn't do anything or does something stupid. I really think it's just a matter of tuning a work in progress of new tech. The whole Procedural Awareness seems to work well in single 1 on 1 scenarios, but gets "confused"sometimes in situations where there are multiple decisions to be made in regards to multiple player interactions. Or a more advanced decision like " I blocked my man, what do I do now?"

        It'll come in time. Maybe there just needs to be a further evolving of the code to factor in those decision variables. But I have seen in vids where the OL tries to go find another man to block. It just seems to be late, awkward and really kills the experience because it was a fundimental decision that ended up messing up the play...
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        • Phobia
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          • Jan 2008
          • 11623

          #34
          Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

          Originally posted by BezO
          1st play was worse with the left OT & OG off in the distance waiting for the kicker to blitz off the sideline while the DE is sacking the QB. Absolutely no recognition of the DE.
          That play was a screen pass to the HB. It was not 100% correct but the QB also did not dump it. The OG should of gave the blitz a push before moving in to block for the screen but it could have been turned into a gain. Just poor play management on the player.

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          • spankdatazz22
            All Star
            • May 2003
            • 6219

            #35
            Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

            Originally posted by BezO
            Man, I come out of one post with a bit of enthusiasm and into this one to be taken back down.

            Yeah, that 2nd play didn't look good. And the 1st play was worse with the left OT & OG off in the distance waiting for the kicker to blitz off the sideline while the DE is sacking the QB. Absolutely no recognition of the DE.

            But Collingsworth sounded good. That's the type of play specific commentary I've been waiting for. Too bad he didn't mention the inept blocking on that 1st play. The key will be if they add to his commentary next year or if we're stuck with these lines until they change commentators again.
            Yeah the defensive lineplay in most if not all of the passing videos seems bad to horrid. It's a problem in the NCAA vids too if you look - so I'm thinking it's something inherent in the engine. It's almost as if the game is trying to render a "cool-looking" animation instead of what should occur naturally if ratings are truly being taken into account on OL/DL matchups. It's interesting that IGN and Gamespot got the memo not to drop the QB back 30yds, but it seems easily doable if people choose to. And I can't believe the QB animations look like they're going to be horrible another year - that's ridiculous. Also have seen next to no player interaction between defenders (LBs/DBs) and receivers (WRs/RBs) in the secondary.

            It's definitely a pretty game though. A few weeks ago I thought NCAA looked better, but I think Madden will have it beat. Since they first debuted the analog running I've loved it/it's potential - I was saying last year I wanted to see something similar in APF, and it seems Tiburon has managed to implement it well in Madden (if combined appropriately w/momentum and player ratings). The game still has a certain hollow-ness to it because it's lacking certain little details. But it's looking to have definitely progressed from what Madden '08 was. Guessing TeamXBox will have to give the gameplay a 11.3 this year since they said it was damn near perfect (9.8) last year
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            • IStillDoWhatIDo
              Pro
              • Jun 2006
              • 695

              #36
              Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

              at the :50 second mark the O-Line was flat out pathetic. Then again, that play may have worked best as a screen play, and those guys may have went out there to protect the screen. Madden still needs to make the defense less powerful and/or the O-line smarter for the user who doesn't realize that.

              the 1:00 mark. I hate those after-sack and after-INT motions that the titantron does. They're not bad, but they remind me of 08... and oh yea.. 07 too. EA should do everything to separate from those games.
              fool me once... shame on me.

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              • BrianFifaFan
                Semi-retired
                • Oct 2003
                • 4137

                #37
                Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

                Originally posted by IStillDoWhatIDo
                at the :50 second mark the O-Line was flat out pathetic. Then again, that play may have worked best as a screen play, and those guys may have went out there to protect the screen. Madden still needs to make the defense less powerful and/or the O-line smarter for the user who doesn't realize that.

                the 1:00 mark. I hate those after-sack and after-INT motions that the titantron does. They're not bad, but they remind me of 08... and oh yea.. 07 too. EA should do everything to separate from those games.
                Yeah, I never want to see the Jumbotron again. Those animations were played out in 06. Show a replay on them for Pete's sake....Or at least have it be a transtioanl gateway for the Cris Collinsworth breakdown. Start out in replay and then zoom into the screen transitioning to that mode. Something. You could even have it showing the ref. That was just a failed attempt to cover for really blah presentation. And just added to the "blah." And still grates on the nerves this year.....
                Note to Tiburon Marketing:

                A great product sells itself, no "back of the box" features required! (See Fifa...)

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                • mdgoalie37
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 1456

                  #38
                  Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

                  Originally posted by WDOgF0reL1fe
                  Cris Collinsworth doesnt stop amazing me with his commentary. However, I just hope that the player specific lines dont get too repetitive

                  I'm sure they will over time - kind of hard not to when you play a franchise.
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                  • FlyingFinn
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 3956

                    #39
                    Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

                    Originally posted by Garrett67
                    Collinsworth sounds good but........ the ..........other ............dude........... has..........too .............many ...........pauses.......in his ......speech
                    Next year, just get Stephen Hawking to do the PBP

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                    • FlyingFinn
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 3956

                      #40
                      Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

                      Originally posted by spankdatazz22
                      Guessing TeamXBox will have to give the gameplay a 11.3 this year since they said it was damn near perfect (9.8) last year

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                      • BrianFifaFan
                        Semi-retired
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 4137

                        #41
                        Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

                        Originally posted by FlyingFinn
                        Next year, just get Stephen Hawking to do the PBP
                        I would love to hear football related to Quantum Physics. I actually read " A Brief History of Time." Deep stuff......
                        Note to Tiburon Marketing:

                        A great product sells itself, no "back of the box" features required! (See Fifa...)

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                        • Rocky
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6896

                          #42
                          Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

                          There was perfect example of why Madden's tackling engine isn't there yet in that video. At the :20 sec. mark, when Westbrook drug the defender, two other defenders could've cleaned him up for a 2 or 3 man gang tackle.....instead, they do this weird 'bounce off' animation.

                          Madden tackling animations need to be more dynamic.
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                          • nxt
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                            • Jun 2003
                            • 1895

                            #43
                            Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

                            Originally posted by Garrett67
                            Collinsworth sounds good but........ the ..........other ............dude........... has..........too .............many ...........pauses.......in his ......speech
                            LOL... my sentiments exactly.

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                            • SageInfinite
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                              • Jul 2002
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                              #44
                              Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

                              Originally posted by Rocky
                              There was perfect example of why Madden's tackling engine isn't there yet in that video. At the :20 sec. mark, when Westbrook drug the defender, two other defenders could've cleaned him up for a 2 or 3 man gang tackle.....instead, they do this weird 'bounce off' animation.

                              Madden tackling animations need to be more dynamic.
                              Totally agree. They just need to add more 2-3 man tackle animations and allow them to engage until the ball carrier is down.
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                              • blackngoldfan
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                                • Jul 2004
                                • 1050

                                #45
                                Re: Madden 09 Preview, Screenshots and Video: GameSpot

                                I really like the slo-mo replay at the 2:15 mark showing the receiver catch the ball with his hands before getting taken down by 2 defenders.

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