Why Next-Gen Sports Games Disappoint

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  • Crimsontide27
    MVP
    • Jul 2004
    • 1505

    #16
    I guess I am disappointed the most because Im not really seeing an advancement in the football genre.

    When I look at all the games that have come out for next gen, non of the sports games really wow me anymore. Other genres have come so far and are amazing to say the least...that when I put in Madden or whatever, I feel I have wasted my money.

    There really is no excuse for sports games to be moving backwards. We still see the same glitches year in and year out with no fixes, we havent seen any increase in presentation ( and in reality...took a step back ) , we havent seen any new physics engines, we havent seen anything other than improved graphics. Its now time for football 09 season games to be released and we still havent got all the options we had back in 04 and 05 back.

    My favorite sport game for the longest was NCAA football. Unfortunantly we are still not seeing much improved there either since back in 2002-2003.

    I have heard the same commentary since I was stationed in Korea back in 01 I think. At the very least, it hasnt changed enough that I ever noticed it. They removed the stadium entrances, they removed the player warmups before the game, they have removed a ton, and not added much at all. 09 is looking to be different, but I wonder what will be broken upon release? Menus in next gen were so slow and laggy that hardly anyone could stand to use, Madden and NCAA both had 3-4 pick 6's per game which made it completely unrealistic...none of these problems were on the older generation games.

    I really enjoy the basketball and baseball games that have been released, but football is lacking....there has been little to no improvement besides graphics in the last 8 years or so.

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    • ewto16
      Rookie
      • Jul 2006
      • 399

      #17
      Well, I see a pre-game coin-toss with players on the field, a better play calling screen, and commentary. Those are all things that Madden doesn't have or didn't have until this year. That is sad.

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      • PaperLantern
        Rookie
        • Dec 2007
        • 255

        #18
        Originally posted by baa7
        Hmm...

        MLB 08 - best baseball game ever.
        NHL 08 - best hockey game ever.
        FIFA 08 - one of the best, and certainly the most innovative soccer game ever.
        Madden... yeah, but has it actually ever been good?

        In other words, not disappointing in the least.
        MLB 08 The Show isn't even EA.

        It's some other company... EA made the MVP baseball series, which obviously doesn't exist anymore. But MVP Baseball 2005 was a fantastic game.
        Collins-Taylor-Henry-Morris-Aldrich

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        • NYJets
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jul 2002
          • 18637

          #19
          Re: Why Next-Gen Sports Games Disappoint

          Originally posted by PaperLantern
          MLB 08 The Show isn't even EA.

          It's some other company... EA made the MVP baseball series, which obviously doesn't exist anymore. But MVP Baseball 2005 was a fantastic game.
          He didn't say it was. This article was about games in general, not just EA.
          Originally posted by Jay Bilas
          The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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          • DGuinta1
            MVP
            • Aug 2004
            • 2706

            #20
            Do we need to have a new version of our sports games each year? And if the game was perfect, from the beginning, would there be less employees needed for future renditions? Just something I have wondered even if it maybe be nonsense.
            NFL - Dallas Cowboys, MLB - NY Yankees
            NBA - Knicks, NHL - NY Rangers,
            NCAABB - St. Johns Redmen (Redstorm)

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            • Crimsontide27
              MVP
              • Jul 2004
              • 1505

              #21
              Do we really need a new sports game each year? No. Will developers and publishers forgo not publishing titles every year and miss a mountain of cash? No

              They have plenty of time to make advancements to the game, its just they know they dont need to.

              Each and every year, no matter what is released...majority of people will buy it. Its for this reason that we will see very little change in the football series. This year is looking better, but Im not going to hop on the hype train just yet. Ive been fooled before, so I have lowered my expectations in the sports game genre.

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              • Lisa_Bonami
                Banned
                • Aug 2003
                • 1293

                #22
                When I think of NEX GEN Sports Gaming, I think of more immersive, deeper experience of the sport I am playing. Not necessarily just Higher resolution graphics or increased polygons per athlete.

                While I certainly enjoy having richer, more detailed visuals, I think the gaming industries still need to dig a little deeper and get more creative in tapping into other ways to approach "NEX GEN" thinking in their sports games

                For example:

                Why not develop the actual FRANCHISE experience more with richer more immersive stat tracking, sorting, ect. Have these large HDs store more HISTORY or create ALMANACS or log more data that can be retrieved and viewed by the player that wants to be the ultimate franchise stat junkie. I'd love to be able to search thru my Franchise's history and look up stats, records, boxscores, player cards from 10 seasons ago and be able to revisit certain stats.

                On the topic of lengthy franchises. ALL FRANCHISE SPORTS games should make a mandatory IMPORT/EXPORT feature that allows a player to export and import their existing franchises into the NEW version of that video game. For example: I just played 25 season of my franchise in Madden 08 and now Madden 09 comes out and I have to start a whole new franchise over from scratch???!....why not give us the ability t import the existing franchise from the previous version of the game??

                Personalities. I still think we havent made as huge of an advancement in realistic human like AI as we have in visual graphical advances. AI in NEX GEN sports games seems very similar , predictable and somewhat limited as it was in previous gen systems.

                Variety. NEX GEN systems should also allow for a much greater variety in AI algorythms and tendencies from teams to teams and players to players to really make different matchups very unique

                USER PROFILES. 2k actually has made some advances in this area but still hasnt completely went as far as they should. In 2K NBA and NFL games, players can create profiles that track all their gameplay tendencies and allow users to view their gameplay patterns and behaviors in certain situations. Some games allow you to share them...some games allow you to assign them the CPU exhibition games but none of them go as far as giving the player complete flexibility and control to assign different USER PROFILES to different teams in their FRANCHISES or SEASONS. This would allow for some excitingly wild and human like encounters with each team you play in your franchise. It would also add huge variety to each game as well.

                These are just a few of the things off the top of my head I can think of...

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                • shondeveron
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 6

                  #23
                  ill tell you what ruined madden..and mlb2k5...competition...or lack thereof...look at how nhl and fifa stepped up when they have nhl2k and winning eleven creepin on em..think about why ea didn't announce a fight night till prizefighter announced...cus you didn't have a choice but to play fight night..why don't you think madden hasn't changed a playbook since 2k5 stopped production ..then put double the feats in when all-pro game out..ohh does it surprise you that they gonna go all out when techmo bowl comes out..not that it's equal comp..but it's comp to say the least.. imagine mlb2k series with mvp or even high heat back...imagine if people actually played nba live..i bet we would have more than 3 roster updates in a year..

                  EA is like the wwf ..everyone loved wrestling when wcw was on tv and went head 2 head with monday night raw..but as soon as wwf bought everyone out..and got a new name...nobody tunes in anymore...

                  it's almost like the old saying for a bachlor..nobody thinks ur cute when your single ..but soon as you got a girlfriend(competition) the booty meter is up...

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                  • shondeveron
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 6

                    #24
                    hell nba2k doesn't even run plays on defence for the computer..even if you make them the vip..funny..
                    and i promise...i bet every dollar i have (which is only 20 if you count the remaining creds on my foodstamp card)
                    that madden will drop 2 out of every 10 games and give you a loss even if your winning..to this day it's the only game that does that..it's the only online sports game you can play that allows someone to quit and you don't automatically get a win less you play the cpu..
                    but we can rewind..lol
                    you can't even pick what you challenge online..come on guys..fix the challenges..like 2k's ..you can't even move more than one guy in motion after a player resets at his postion..you could do that on techmo bowl and joe montana's sports talk football..crazy..same playbooks..same glitches that allow qbs to roll out and throw over the middle..
                    bet it won't have defensive matchup options so you can put champ bailey on randy moss for the whole game..
                    but i bet my stamp card again you can fix how much the parking cost or they have some dumb ring meter..
                    you can't play with rain or snow online...and they got weather that leaves footprints offline..but if you get tackled in the snow..the players don't leave a BODY inprint in the snow..guys are 300+lbs in the league..but they got divisionless leagues..and legends..lol

                    they said you can port playbooks from the other game..lol..i bet you can't use em online..

                    bad thing is..ima purchase it at midnight at gamestop the night it comes out..call in for work the next day..like a dummy..why? cus how else can i play wit my redskins and the same playbook even though they got a differ coach and off coord..and d coach..

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                    • DirrtySouth78
                      Pro
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 588

                      #25
                      Re: Why Next-Gen Sports Games Disappoint

                      Problem is only the sim gamer hates madden. the casual gamer don't care that things are broken only that they can play with thier fav. team and run season/s. To them don't matter if you have the hulk on DL you'll still only get through 1/10 times. or that the ai is fundamentally flawed or they have band aids over issues instead of fixing them. It may not always look like real NFL game but to casual gamer it fits thier need or football fix. as long as EA sees a profit it don't matter what rating a gaming site gives it. it just needs to make a profit and as of last year it is still making money and will continue to make money. Therefore in EA's eyes no long term solutiion needed, just patch up a few problems and start on next years

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                      • baa7
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 11691

                        #26
                        Re: Why Next-Gen Sports Games Disappoint

                        Originally posted by shondeveron
                        bad thing is..ima purchase it at midnight at gamestop the night it comes out..call in for work the next day..like a dummy..why? cus how else can i play wit my redskins and the same playbook even though they got a differ coach and off coord..and d coach..
                        Forget the article - this ^ is why some "Next-Gen Sports Games Disappoint". Good that you can admit that BTW. Most don't and won't.

                        And you know, I don't get how people look forward to Madden like that. 2-3 weeks after it comes out, I have to talk myself into wasting the $10 it costs to rent Madden, fully knowing I'll end up playing it for 30 minutes before taking it back to Blockbuster.

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                        • shondeveron
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 6

                          #27
                          you my friend are stronger than me..i love football..therefore i live with the HOPE that it'll actually be better than last year..maybe EA can hire balko to finally hit a homerun this year...

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                          • jmood88
                            Sean Payton: Retribution
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 34639

                            #28
                            Re: Why Next-Gen Sports Games Disappoint

                            I love football too but I don't see what that has to do with wasting money on a game. I'm not talking about people who enjoy Madden but the guys who talk about having hope for the game each year then after the game is out complain about how bad the game is need to stop. If you know that each year you're disappointed why spend the money buying the game? At least rent it first and see how it is.
                            Originally posted by Blzer
                            Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                            If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                            • shondeveron
                              Rookie
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 6

                              #29
                              bad credit..lol

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                              • spit_bubble
                                MVP
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 3292

                                #30
                                Re: Why Next-Gen Sports Games Disappoint

                                Up to now this generation of sports games has been about what I expected: struggling like a new born calf trying to get to it's feet.

                                Games require a lot more capital to produce this time around, and console sales aren't yet to the point where companies are going to get a lot of return... So it's only natural that games are going to seem to sputter along like they are.

                                But the potential is there, that much is clear. The good sports games show that much can be done on the latest systems, but unfortunately much can be done wrong too... So any errors or shortcomings drag games down significantly.

                                Honestly I wouldn't get my hopes up too high for the future. I think the industry is reaching the limits of growth, if it hasn't done so already. But I also think that there will be a handful of games that really come to fruition in the next 2-3 years and really shine.
                                All ties severed...

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