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  • grunt
    Banned
    • Jul 2002
    • 9527

    #61
    Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

    I always wanted the makers of 2k football to come on these boards and I never imagine a developer from Madden would come here. I am just happy we can have a real dialogue and let hope we can make a better football game.

    Peace
    Last edited by grunt; 05-31-2008, 06:53 PM.

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    • countryboy
      Growing pains
      • Sep 2003
      • 52843

      #62
      Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

      Originally posted by TheFuture15
      What an excellent debate. Thought I'd stop my EURO 2008 marathon session and chime in real quick with some points. Then I REALLY need to get off of here.

      1. I appreciate VERY MUCH the folks that are "policing" so to speak and trying to keep things constructive. As you mentioned, when posts like the one from Yves? show up it is not easy for me to be civil and professional (and want to return) - I'm only human. Posts like his will also be the barrier for quite a while for ALL designers, artists, engineers, art directors, etc to join the forums...Phil and I have been at Tiburon and making Madden for a long time, and we know what to expect. A 2nd year guy probably can't handle that type of stuff professionally yet, so we need to keep them away from it.

      2. I really wish we had more of a voice in the other feature areas. I know it's frustrating to have this out-pouring of information in gameplay and just have zilch elsewhere. Phil is working hard on that. I'll say it again, obviously I can't answer non-gameplay questions, but it doesn't hurt to post them somewhere anyway so it doesn't get lost (hopefully).

      3. I think you all are right on that 09 shouldn't get a pass. If you've got old grudges harbored from 06, 07, and 08, or you're frustrated that we're still behind 2k in some areas, then let it fly. I think it's becoming obvious that Phil and I are trying to make some rather drastic changes around here - and we WANT you to be brutally honest about issues you see, because that ends up giving us all the more firepower to make Madden what we ultimately want it to be. Madden as a franchise has definitely had it's shares of ups and downs, and we want to bring it back to the golden era. For you and for us. So again...don't pull any punches. But again, the more constructive, the easier it is for me to sleep at night. Not like I do anyway.

      4. I kind of agree though with a couple of the guys that you should know that OL/DL and WR/DB are major weak spots, and re-hashing complaints and known issues from other threads really doesn't do much. But that being said, again (back to point 3), let us have it...I don't care. The last thing I want to do is turn this into a censored hunky-dory love fest where we all talk about how awesome I am. We are big boys, we can take it. Based on all the feedback so far, we're feverishly trying to get last second changes in, but as you guys should know by now I will be honest and say so - those aren't good areas for Madden. Should you forgive me for it just because I'm posting? No. But should they be game-killers for you? I really hope not...again going back to one of my very first posts, my top 5 at the beginning of the year was this (and we could really only do 3 because of the tech investment):
      1. Player control
      2. Catching
      3. Tackling
      4. OL/DL play
      5. Expanded Gang Tackling

      We addressed the top 3 in many ways I never thought possible in a sports game...so hopefully those can outweigh the current weak spots and still let you see that Madden is FINALLY an EXTREMELY fun game with unprecedented control and really great catching & tackling. But if something IS a game-killer and the reason you a.) don't buy it, or b.) take it back, again, I want to hear that.

      I just hope everyone will start to see that we ARE moving in the right direction, and the best part is that ALL OF YOU can guide that direction there moving forward. I mean we've made upwards of 25-30 changes just in the 2 weeks I've been on here...from the minor (sock color) to the major (getting gang tackling working right). That to me is getting pretty amazing. Imagine what will happen when we've got a whole year together, especially when we're getting feedback when ideas are still in the design phase. 09 is a great game...no doubt. But there is also some amazing stuff up ahead.

      - Ian
      (Awesome Guy)

      PS - as per the other Q & A thread, I'm desperately trying to get the DL pancake issue fixed.
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      • spankdatazz22
        All Star
        • May 2003
        • 6219

        #63
        Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

        Originally posted by TheFuture15
        3. I think you all are right on that 09 shouldn't get a pass. If you've got old grudges harbored from 06, 07, and 08, or you're frustrated that we're still behind 2k in some areas, then let it fly.
        Your response is appreciated as is your presence here on the board; it's made for enjoyable conversation. I was just trying to give voice to those that have been hearing the "we're on the right track/this time we're really trying to improve Madden/listen to you guys this time - really" stories that litter the board in the months leading up to Madden's release. So expect to see some cynicism. I do believe you're sincere in your desire to bring Madden back to prominence from a quality standpoint, and I can sympathize with your being a second-year man dealing with issues and attitudes that have been around and perculated for a lot longer than that.

        Originally posted by TheFuture15
        4. I kind of agree though with a couple of the guys that you should know that OL/DL and WR/DB are major weak spots, and re-hashing complaints and known issues from other threads really doesn't do much. But that being said, again (back to point 3), let us have it...I don't care. The last thing I want to do is turn this into a censored hunky-dory love fest where we all talk about how awesome I am. We are big boys, we can take it.
        Good to hear. I'd also throw overall QB play as a major longtime weak spot that for whatever reason is frequently overlooked.

        Originally posted by TheFuture15
        I just hope everyone will start to see that we ARE moving in the right direction, and the best part is that ALL OF YOU can guide that direction there moving forward. I mean we've made upwards of 25-30 changes just in the 2 weeks I've been on here...from the minor (sock color) to the major (getting gang tackling working right). That to me is getting pretty amazing. Imagine what will happen when we've got a whole year together, especially when we're getting feedback when ideas are still in the design phase. 09 is a great game...no doubt. But there is also some amazing stuff up ahead.

        - Ian
        (Awesome Guy)

        PS - as per the other Q & A thread, I'm desperately trying to get the DL pancake issue fixed.
        And the hard work is much appreciated. And I might say to some degree expected, given where the game is and given the situation. Anytime board members can have direct input into the creative process versus having to voice everything through "community leaders" I'm all for it. If you can resolve the DL flat-backing issue it'll go a ways towards making the OL/DL play more tolerable. Thanks again for candor and responses
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        • TeeDogg
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 2283

          #64
          Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

          Ian, now that you are a memeber here and seem to like the overall vibe. when you get some time you may want to use the search tools and find some of the old wishlist and gameplay threads for both madden and APF. there has been some great dialog and suggestions floating around here for years.

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          • DC
            Hall Of Fame
            • Oct 2002
            • 17996

            #65
            Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

            Even though I am not a Madden fan, I can appreciate the fact that you all are coming here to get ideas. Good job from a community relations standpoint. I hope you can give these football fans the SIM football game that they have been dreaming about since 2004 released that football blockbuster (NFL 2K5)
            Concrete evidence/videos please

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            • bigeastbumrush
              My Momma's Son
              • Feb 2003
              • 19245

              #66
              Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

              For all the 2K5 diehards, stop the complaining, fire up your old XBOX and download the rosters in the 2K5 forum. Go play until you fall dizzy.

              But stop brining up that nonsense.

              It was the greatest football videogame I ever played, but it wasn't perfect. Just as you accepted 2K5's faults (and I won't mention them), either keep playing it now or accept Madden for what it will be. It's your choice and your money.

              This stupid conversation takes place every year. The only reason it's so strong right now is because it SEEMS as if Madden might finally be turning the corner.

              But I don't think their current goal is to re-create 2K5. Hell, the pre-beta Madden looks better than 2K5 in SOME respects.

              But there's just way too much focus on "what 2K5 did". And some of the requests that I have been reading are just way too nitpicky.

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              • TeeDogg
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 2283

                #67
                Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

                Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                For all the 2K5 diehards, stop the complaining, fire up your old XBOX and download the rosters in the 2K5 forum. Go play until you fall dizzy.

                But stop brining up that nonsense.

                It was the greatest football videogame I ever played, but it wasn't perfect. Just as you accepted 2K5's faults (and I won't mention them), either keep playing it now or accept Madden for what it will be. It's your choice and your money.

                This stupid conversation takes place every year. The only reason it's so strong right now is because it SEEMS as if Madden might finally be turning the corner.

                But I don't think their current goal is to re-create 2K5. Hell, the pre-beta Madden looks better than 2K5 in SOME respects.

                But there's just way too much focus on "what 2K5 did". And some of the requests that I have been reading are just way too nitpicky.

                most are not complaining, we are trying to give enough input and detail on what 2K5 did well so that Madden is better than 2k5, hopefully their goal is at some point to be MUCH better than 2k5. Ian himself asked for input on what we liked so much about the series

                everyone knows 2K5 was not perfect. i dont think anyone ever claimed it to be.

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                • Rawdeal28
                  Swiitch U? lol
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 7407

                  #68
                  Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

                  Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                  For all the 2K5 diehards, stop the complaining, fire up your old XBOX and download the rosters in the 2K5 forum. Go play until you fall dizzy.

                  But stop brining up that nonsense.

                  It was the greatest football videogame I ever played, but it wasn't perfect. Just as you accepted 2K5's faults (and I won't mention them), either keep playing it now or accept Madden for what it will be. It's your choice and your money.

                  This stupid conversation takes place every year. The only reason it's so strong right now is because it SEEMS as if Madden might finally be turning the corner.

                  But I don't think their current goal is to re-create 2K5. Hell, the pre-beta Madden looks better than 2K5 in SOME respects.

                  But there's just way too much focus on "what 2K5 did". And some of the requests that I have been reading are just way too nitpicky.
                  "on hoping there is a PSN flash sale before Valentine's Day"
                  Man there are no flashers... now what are we going to do for vd
                  I'm sure there's plenty of prostitutes you could pay if you really want vd.
                  yea but will they take psn cards
                  Depends on what area of a hooker you would use to redeem them.

                  lol

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                  • Rawdeal28
                    Swiitch U? lol
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 7407

                    #69
                    Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

                    Originally posted by TeeDogg
                    most are not complaining, we are trying to give enough input and detail on what 2K5 did well so that Madden is better than 2k5, hopefully their goal is at some point to be MUCH better than 2k5. Ian himself asked for input on what we liked so much about the series

                    everyone knows 2K5 was not perfect. i dont think anyone ever claimed it to be.
                    most of them are complaining and generally leave no details what so ever. its generally "madden gang tackling will never touch 2k5". "the ball does a 180 turn before it goes into a WR hands". if it were constructive we wouldnt be saying anything about it.
                    "on hoping there is a PSN flash sale before Valentine's Day"
                    Man there are no flashers... now what are we going to do for vd
                    I'm sure there's plenty of prostitutes you could pay if you really want vd.
                    yea but will they take psn cards
                    Depends on what area of a hooker you would use to redeem them.

                    lol

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                    • HealyMonster
                      Titans Era has begun.
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 5992

                      #70
                      Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

                      Originally posted by Rawdeal28
                      most of them are complaining and generally leave no details what so ever. its generally "madden gang tackling will never touch 2k5". "the ball does a 180 turn before it goes into a WR hands". if it were constructive we wouldnt be saying anything about it.


                      im a presentation whore. pretty much if madden got 2k5' presentation im good. at this point theres not much difference in gameplay in my opinion only separation is the presentation and feel of a game. madden is boring still.

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                      • Rawdeal28
                        Swiitch U? lol
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 7407

                        #71
                        Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

                        Originally posted by Renegade44
                        im a presentation whore. pretty much if madden got 2k5' presentation im good. at this point theres not much difference in gameplay in my opinion only separation is the presentation and feel of a game. madden is boring still.
                        i hear ya. to me 08 was boring. but im loving the presentation on 09. much improved in my opinion. i i guess ill love it and you will hate it.
                        "on hoping there is a PSN flash sale before Valentine's Day"
                        Man there are no flashers... now what are we going to do for vd
                        I'm sure there's plenty of prostitutes you could pay if you really want vd.
                        yea but will they take psn cards
                        Depends on what area of a hooker you would use to redeem them.

                        lol

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                        • HealyMonster
                          Titans Era has begun.
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 5992

                          #72
                          Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

                          Originally posted by Rawdeal28
                          i hear ya. to me 08 was boring. but im loving the presentation on 09. much improved in my opinion. i i guess ill love it and you will hate it.

                          to be honest im not sold on the presentation either way. im concerned with the announcer (hammond) bing put in what seems sega genesis video game quality, and ive not seen much else besides overlays. it doesnt seem like they went with TV style delivery but im waiting to see more.

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                          • countryboy
                            Growing pains
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 52843

                            #73
                            Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

                            Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                            For all the 2K5 diehards, stop the complaining, fire up your old XBOX and download the rosters in the 2K5 forum. Go play until you fall dizzy.

                            But stop brining up that nonsense.

                            It was the greatest football videogame I ever played, but it wasn't perfect. Just as you accepted 2K5's faults (and I won't mention them), either keep playing it now or accept Madden for what it will be. It's your choice and your money.

                            This stupid conversation takes place every year. The only reason it's so strong right now is because it SEEMS as if Madden might finally be turning the corner.

                            But I don't think their current goal is to re-create 2K5. Hell, the pre-beta Madden looks better than 2K5 in SOME respects.

                            But there's just way too much focus on "what 2K5 did". And some of the requests that I have been reading are just way too nitpicky.
                            Originally posted by Rawdeal28

                            ummmm....I don't know if you guys noticed his post or not, but Ian asked the 2k fans to mention what made the 2k series so special to them, in hopes of not only being able to put these things into the Madden series, but to also improve upon them.
                            I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                            I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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                            • grunt
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 9527

                              #74
                              Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

                              Originally posted by countryboy
                              ummmm....I don't know if you guys noticed his post or not, but Ian asked the 2k fans to mention what made the 2k series so special to them, in hopes of not only being able to put these things into the Madden series, but to also improve upon them.
                              True, but we need to bring constructive criticism to the discussion. I love 2k5 and I love 2k8 even more but we have a chance to have our voice heard in Madden. We just have to show OS class and everything will be ok.

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                              • grunt
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 9527

                                #75
                                Re: Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

                                Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                                For all the 2K5 diehards, stop the complaining, fire up your old XBOX and download the rosters in the 2K5 forum. Go play until you fall dizzy.

                                But stop brining up that nonsense.

                                It was the greatest football videogame I ever played, but it wasn't perfect. Just as you accepted 2K5's faults (and I won't mention them), either keep playing it now or accept Madden for what it will be. It's your choice and your money.

                                This stupid conversation takes place every year. The only reason it's so strong right now is because it SEEMS as if Madden might finally be turning the corner.

                                But I don't think their current goal is to re-create 2K5. Hell, the pre-beta Madden looks better than 2K5 in SOME respects.

                                But there's just way too much focus on "what 2K5 did". And some of the requests that I have been reading are just way too nitpicky.
                                The conversations on 2k5 has been very mature and productive. Ian seem very open minded regarding the strengths of the 2k series.

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