Madden NFL 09 2008 Super Bowl Video (IGN)

[Guillotine 1]

Re: Madden NFL 09 2008 Super Bowl Video (IGN)

I can't believe some if the replies in this thread. This game looks fantastic! The OL is suppossed to move in sync, in the NFL every OL coach train the players to move in sync with every player stepping at the same time. As far as the RB stiff arming the DT...like RB's don't routinely make those bigger slower guys look silly. Anyone remember M. Lynch just step out of a pile of defenders and go to the house last year??? How bout when A. Peterson broke six tackles on his way to the endzone (oh yea and the single game rushing record)???

Quit trying to find something wrong with the game. It's like some of you guys are looking for anything to be displeased with. We get it, EA messed up so far on Next-Gen. But Madden 09 is not those games, get over it man.

[maddenps2]

Re: Madden NFL 09 2008 Super Bowl Video (IGN)

I can't believe some if the replies in this thread. This game looks fantastic! The OL is suppossed to move in sync, in the NFL every OL coach train the players to move in sync with every player stepping at the same time. As far as the RB stiff arming the DT...like RB's don't routinely make those bigger slower guys look silly. Anyone remember M. Lynch just step out of a pile of defenders and go to the house last year??? How bout when A. Peterson broke six tackles on his way to the endzone (oh yea and the single game rushing record)???

Quit trying to find something wrong with the game. It's like some of you guys are looking for anything to be displeased with. We get it, EA messed up so far on Next-Gen. But Madden 09 is not those games, get over it man.

Theres a difference between a natural looking sync with the offensive lineman and the identical animations and approach and follow engagement blocking in the video. All 3 offensive lineman used the EXACT same animation, frame for frame, from the beginning to the end of the block. It looked really scripted, the defensive lineman also almost react in the exact same manner.

In real life while they would be in sync, but the way they move into the block, technique and engagement would be varied. Their arms, legs and the animations after engaging the different defensive lineman would be varied because the battle between different athletes differs because of various reason such as strength, weight, technique, balance, and angle of attack.

The sync in the video looks unnatural that would be obvious to anyone who watches it.


As for your defense of RB de-cleating and plowing over the defensive lineman. There are many problems with what happened in the video. First of all Maroney is running nearly straight up when he is approaching the incoming defender, he hits the dt while standing nearly straight up, the collision then de-cleats the 300 pound defensive lineman, yet there no reaction to Maroney's upper body from the collision.
Realistic?, huh, No reaction from a collision that de-cleated a defensive lineman outweighing maroney by 80 pounds, a collision in which he was standing straight up.

[NYGmen56]

Re: Madden NFL 09 2008 Super Bowl Video (IGN)

Theres a difference between a natural looking sync with the offensive lineman and the identical animations and approach and follow engagement blocking in the video. All 3 offensive lineman used the EXACT same animation, frame for frame, from the beginning to the end of the block. It looked really scripted, the defensive lineman also almost react in the exact same manner.

In real life while they would be in sync, but the way they move into the block, technique and engagement would be varied. Their arms, legs and the animations after engaging the different defensive lineman would be varied because the battle between different athletes differs because of various reason such as strength, weight, technique, balance, and angle of attack.

The sync in the video looks unnatural that would be obvious to anyone who watches it.


As for your defense of RB de-cleating and plowing over the defensive lineman. There are many problems with what happened in the video. First of all Maroney is running nearly straight up when he is approaching the incoming defender, he hits the dt while standing nearly straight up, the collision then de-cleats the 300 pound defensive lineman, yet there no reaction to Maroney's upper body from the collision.
Realistic?, huh, No reaction from a collision that de-cleated a defensive lineman outweighing maroney by 80 pounds, a collision in which he was standing straight up.

Exactly! maddenps2, Very well put man.. I mean come on, Common sense..

Guillotine 1, get a glue man seriously.. wow. You would be a great fit in the EA Dev team..

[brewha202002]

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WOW! I cannot believe that only a handful of people noticed what happened on the OL in this video. I can live with the 300lb linemen gatting plowed over, but 3 OL doing the EXACT same animation in synch stuck out like a sore thumb. Wow, that was atrocious!

[ThreeKing]

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WOW! I cannot believe that only a handful of people noticed what happened on the OL in this video. I can live with the 300lb linemen gatting plowed over, but 3 OL doing the EXACT same animation in synch stuck out like a sore thumb. Wow, that was atrocious!

HAHA. Good call. Yeah, that is pretty bad. I don't recall a Madden game ever doing that.

It just seems like this company will give something and then take something or screw something up in return.

I'm still getting this game and can't wait. It just gets frustrating sometimes with these guys.

[Exonerated]

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Oh snap. Theres something wrong with madden. 3 linemen same animation.

Dealbreaker. Not buyin the game.



Zzz like every frame of every play is suppose to be perfect. It may be frustrating (to some), be really shouldn't be something to clamor over.

[Ian_Cummings]

Re: Madden NFL 09 2008 Super Bowl Video (IGN)

Oh snap. Theres something wrong with madden. 3 linemen same animation.

Dealbreaker. Not buyin the game.



Zzz like every frame of every play is suppose to be perfect. It may be frustrating (to some), be really shouldn't be something to clamor over.

I think I've been straightforward from day 1 that our blocking is not where we want it to be for 09, along with a few other areas. What you are seeing is exactly what I mean in that respect...the animation "coverage" is just really sub-par. Luckily all the work VJ has done last year and this year has improved logic and AI quite substantially, but the animation selection is our big remaining problem.

If a lack of true edge rushing looping animations and the possibility of synchronized OL get engaged moves are deal breakers for you, then I'd have to say 09 has all of that. However if you can get past those issues and take a look at the bigger picture, I think you'll be much more pleased. When I look at the game experience as a whole I feel we've definitely delivered a great product.

As for Maroney and the monster stiff-arm, that is mainly an animation bug. He "won" the stiff-arm check but he played the "Super-Win" animation instead of playing a more subdued one. I will check on that and see if that actually is in the final build, and if it is, look into addressing it.

[Rawdeal28]

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I think I've been straightforward from day 1 that our blocking is not where we want it to be for 09, along with a few other areas. What you are seeing is exactly what I mean in that respect...the animation "coverage" is just really sub-par. Luckily all the work VJ has done last year and this year has improved logic and AI quite substantially, but the animation selection is our big remaining problem.

If a lack of true edge rushing looping animations and the possibility of synchronized OL get engaged moves are deal breakers for you, then I'd have to say 09 has all of that. However if you can get past those issues and take a look at the bigger picture, I think you'll be much more pleased. When I look at the game experience as a whole I feel we've definitely delivered a great product.

As for Maroney and the monster stiff-arm, that is mainly an animation bug. He "won" the stiff-arm check but he played the "Super-Win" animation instead of playing a more subdued one. I will check on that and see if that actually is in the final build, and if it is, look into addressing it.

i can see the bigger picture so this is no problem to me. not a gamebreaker by any stretch of the imagination. most of the time when people are pointing out these problems are just the chosen animation like u said.

Ian, is it really difficult for you guys to get the game to always choose the right animation for each situation?? cuz alot of the problems people point out are because the game chooses the wrong animation to play out at certain times.

[Exonerated]

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Sorry for my fail attempt at sarcasm lol. Was trying to satirise the Ea haters.

Neways.

i saw nothin wrong with that clip. Without analysis every frame by frame. I didn't notice the 3 linemen in sync. Superficially, it was really good. The lighting is amazing and you can really feel the little person in big stadium feel. Like everyones looking at you.

Only thing i saw was maroney stiff arm which looked pretty hectic. I actually like the exaggerated skill sets that target the casual gamer. I'm fine with that stiff arm.

I don't really find nething wrong with those wwf big hits as well. I find them pretty cool when you lay it on someone. My friends that come over in a while would definitely appreciate those monstrous hits and exaggerated animations.

[mastershake88]

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Looks good.... I, for one, love the endzones with the Super Bowl logo, instead of the team logos (too confusing).



Don't change that EA! Please!!!

um...no? thats not in real life...why would you want that still in the game I dont even know why they continue to do that its wrong.

[mastershake88]

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i dont know how to say this but that endzone spiel got to be fixed like the way it was in nfl 2k5 with the teams name the afc or nfc logos... I think you guys know what I'm talking about these days.

[kwas676]

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I'm not trying to be a jerk but some of you guys over saturate about little things, the whole endzone paint isn't a big deal, I didn't see the o line sync when they should the full game clip and as long as there working on it I'm cool knowing its gonna change.

[Ian_Cummings]

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Sorry for my fail attempt at sarcasm lol. Was trying to satirise the Ea haters.

Yeah I got your sarcasm...I wanted to quote you because you kind of echoed the point I wanted to drive home.

Ian, is it really difficult for you guys to get the game to always choose the right animation for each situation?? cuz alot of the problems people point out are because the game chooses the wrong animation to play out at certain times.

The new wrap system helped our "animation matching" problem greatly for this year. Unfortunately we weren't able to fully utilize it for blocking moves yet. The good news is that it will make improvements easy in the future.

[poster]

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Thanks Ian for looking into the issue of a RB trucking a DT.

I also will say the team specific end zones in the Super Bowl badly need to be put back in. Much like NCAA bowl games with no end zone art, it just is not right and frustrates me. Thanks for listening.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Madden NFL 09 2008 Super Bowl Video (IGN)

If a lack of true edge rushing looping animations and the possibility of synchronized OL get engaged moves are deal breakers for you, then I'd have to say 09 has all of that. However if you can get past those issues and take a look at the bigger picture, I think you'll be much more pleased. When I look at the game experience as a whole I feel we've definitely delivered a great product.

As for Maroney and the monster stiff-arm, that is mainly an animation bug. He "won" the stiff-arm check but he played the "Super-Win" animation instead of playing a more subdued one. I will check on that and see if that actually is in the final build, and if it is, look into addressing it.

We'll see, but I don't see how the game could be great when it's lacking in so many key fundamental areas. There's obviously nice things going on with the game, and the graphics pop. But the animations are very questionable at times. This video is a good example - it gives the game an unnatural and rehearsed feel. It's like the game is trying to call what the devs feel are "cool" animations, instead of appropriate ones - like defensive ends getting flipped for example. Let alone when they're getting flipped in unison. It's more like the offensive/defensive line is an afterthought where there's no individuality, little sense that these guys are engaging in their own individual battles while trying to work cohesively as a group. The game looks much improved, but if you have to throw out the caveat of looking past the OL/DL play, WR/DB play, QB play, etc., I don't see how the game is to a point where it can be considered great - at least from a gameplay standpoint