NCAA Designers Step Up to the Plate

[fistofrage]

Re: NCAA Designers Step Up to the Plate

I'm reading all this negative feedback, claiming we're kissing EA's *** and really wondering about certain things. The first and foremost statement I must point out is that nowhere in this article was it said that I thought the game was great. My thoughts on the game itself are completely separate of this article to the point that I still have yet to weigh in on the issue.

Beyond that, a simple reading of the article shows I never said the patching of the game and the like have been great. To those who argue I felt we should be happy Adam is posting on the boards, we really should be. They don't have to take the time to respond to us. Regardless of what many would argue EA's motives may be behind their presence on the OS forums, they are still doing more than they have to.

Objectivity doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with a certain opinion. Sure, some of you may think he's done a horrible job, and some would say he's done a flawless job. I merely proposed that my personal opinion is that he's done a good job staying active and at least making an attempt to respond to criticisms about bugs in the game.

Given how much people could do little more than rip on him for what you may or may not think is the best game EA Sports could have released, he has in fact not given in to complaints and hasn't merely written off the fans of the game as not worth his time.

No matter whether you agree or disagree with the quality of the game and the reviews we've posted on the site, we mustn't forget that Adam doesn't still have to be here.

Once again, he is getting free market research, free game testing and building "good will" by being in here. There could be alot of motives why he's here. But the main reason would be to promote future sales of the game. For all I know tthe brass at EA could be telling him to pander to the sports websites.

If a salesman sold you a lemon of a car which you couldn't get your money back for then the company that manufactured had a representative call you, wouldn't you give him a piece of your mind.

If a representative didn't call you and you had this POS lemon car with alot of faults wouldn't you spread the word to your friends and others what was wrong with the car, what it would take to make it right?

Bottom line, its cool that he seems to care, but I just want the game fixed. Whether he posts on here or not, just fix it. You got my money. You'll get it next year if you fix this. If not you won't. And EA may not care, but I'll be damned if I'm going to bow down and be greatful because someone comes in and talks to me after I've spent my money on a product that has broken features. And I played the demo, and they broke the Kick off coverage since then, so as a consumer, the demo misrepresented the game. So at minimum they "owe" me to fix that because it was misrepresented.

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Once again, he is getting free market research, free game testing and building "good will" by being in here. There could be alot of motives why he's here. But the main reason would be to promote future sales of the game. For all I know tthe brass at EA could be telling him to pander to the sports websites.

If a salesman sold you a lemon of a car which you couldn't get your money back for then the company that manufactured had a representative call you, wouldn't you give him a piece of your mind.

If a representative didn't call you and you had this POS lemon car with alot of faults wouldn't you spread the word to your friends and others what was wrong with the car, what it would take to make it right?

Bottom line, its cool that he seems to care, but I just want the game fixed. Whether he posts on here or not, just fix it. You got my money. You'll get it next year if you fix this. If not you won't. And EA may not care, but I'll be damned if I'm going to bow down and be greatful because someone comes in and talks to me after I've spent my money on a product that has broken features. And I played the demo, and they broke the Kick off coverage since then, so as a consumer, the demo misrepresented the game. So at minimum they "owe" me to fix that because it was misrepresented.

If you buy a car for $60, it will be a Lemon. Irrelevant comparison.
And Kickoff coverage isn't broken. I've never had a kickoff returned on me in 09 playing the CPU or Online. An no, I don't play on weak difficulties. Try staying in your lanes and break down before you tackle. Don't complain about the new features if you can't figure out the minor adjustments that they made.

[malek05]

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You people are funny. I'm just waiting patiently for the patch and in the meantime enjoying the parts of the game that do work properly. I'm in no hurry. I have a life outside of video games, so I can find other things to occupy my time. But when this patch does drop, lookout, I'm gonna tear it up.

I've got this '86 Cadillac, but only "parts" of it work...

Would you be willing to buy it from me for the full price of the car...instead of the parts...say...$13,000?

[fistofrage]

Re: NCAA Designers Step Up to the Plate

If you buy a car for $60, it will be a Lemon. Irrelevant comparison.
And Kickoff coverage isn't broken. I've never had a kickoff returned on me in 09 playing the CPU or Online. An no, I don't play on weak difficulties. Try staying in your lanes and break down before you tackle. Don't complain about the new features if you can't figure out the minor adjustments that they made.

Apparantly there is more than 1 EA representative "stepping up to the plate". Kick-off coverage isn't broken? Punt coverage isn't broken? you have already lost all credibility. Next thing you'll be telling me the sliders work.

Apparantly you don't understand comparative reasoning. It doesn't matter how much I paid for a new product $5 or $500,000 if the thing has flaws, they need to be fixed. Until its fixed, I'll air my grievances and point the flaws out to others so they can make informed decisions.

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Apparantly there is more than 1 EA representative "stepping up to the plate". Kick-off coverage isn't broken? Punt coverage isn't broken? you have already lost all credibility. Next thing you'll be telling me the sliders work.

Apparantly you don't understand comparative reasoning. It doesn't matter how much I paid for a new product $5 or $500,000 if the thing has flaws, they need to be fixed. Until its fixed, I'll air my grievances and point the flaws out to others so they can make informed decisions.

Saying they're broken isn't explaining why they're broken. Please explain yourself. Next time I play, I'll be more open to see what you're talking about. For someone to make a truly informed decision, they should be presented with the Pros & Cons, not just one side.

And no, the Sliders don't work. I never argued that point.

Are you saying you would rather have a percentage of your money back and be stuck with a broken game ?? Or would you like those resources spent on a crew focused on fixing those issues ??

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I've got this '86 Cadillac, but only "parts" of it work...

Would you be willing to buy it from me for the full price of the car...instead of the parts...say...$13,000?

Nope, not if you tell me the whole thing doesn't work before I buy it. Don't you think if EA knew all of this before the game came out, they might not have released it ?? Not to mention that this must have slipped past M$ and Sony. EA isn't the only company at fault here. Majority, yes. All, not quite. I would assume there was people put in place to detect these issues before the game came out. Since they didn't, I am lead to believe that there is also people put in place to fix after ship issues.

All I'm saying is have patience. These problems probably weren't created overnight. Can we really expect em to be fixed overnight ??

And no, I'm not an "EA Rep stepping up to the plate." I'm just not as pessimistic as most others.

[fistofrage]

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Saying they're broken isn't explaining why they're broken. Please explain yourself. Next time I play, I'll be more open to see what you're talking about. For someone to make a truly informed decision, they should be presented with the Pros & Cons, not just one side.

And no, the Sliders don't work. I never argued that point.

Are you saying you would rather have a percentage of your money back and be stuck with a broken game ?? Or would you like those resources spent on a crew focused on fixing those issues ??

OK, next time you play watch the coverage team on the kickoff is doing. The men on the wings will run straight down the sidelines, but not break at the ball carrier until he is past them. Now look at the other coverage members, they get blocked too easily and don't shed these blocks. In the event they don't get blocked, they run very slow. You literally don't see a defender until you reach the 30. 1 or 2 moves and you are gone. In previous versions the defenders would Sprint down the field and converge on the ball.

Punt coverage, the gunners get tied up and the rest of the team doesn't sprint down the field.

I would rather have a complete game, but if they can't do that, then yeah, I guess selling this game at a discount price of $19.99 to $39.99 instead of $60 depending on what's broken would be a good compromise.

[BIG CAROLINA]

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Nope, not if you tell me the whole thing doesn't work before I buy it. Don't you think if EA knew all of this before the game came out, they might not have released it ?? Not to mention that this must have slipped past M$ and Sony. EA isn't the only company at fault here. Majority, yes. All, not quite. I would assume there was people put in place to detect these issues before the game came out. Since they didn't, I am lead to believe that there is also people put in place to fix after ship issues.

All I'm saying is have patience. These problems probably weren't created overnight. Can we really expect em to be fixed overnight ??

And no, I'm not an "EA Rep stepping up to the plate." I'm just not as pessimistic as most others.

I would have to say no, they would have gave it a go anyway.This is nothing new from EA Sports,every year we go through the same thing with either Madden or NCAA on next gen.
When have you seen a Next Gen EA Sports Football title pushed back because they found issues that have to be addressed before being released and the release date was pushed back?
I find it hard to believe that with some of the issues that are in this game were NOT seen by testers, when most of us could clearly see them on day one.

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OK, next time you play watch the coverage team on the kickoff is doing. The men on the wings will run straight down the sidelines, but not break at the ball carrier until he is past them. Now look at the other coverage members, they get blocked too easily and don't shed these blocks. In the event they don't get blocked, they run very slow. You literally don't see a defender until you reach the 30. 1 or 2 moves and you are gone. In previous versions the defenders would Sprint down the field and converge on the ball.

Punt coverage, the gunners get tied up and the rest of the team doesn't sprint down the field.

I would rather have a complete game, but if they can't do that, then yeah, I guess selling this game at a discount price of $19.99 to $39.99 instead of $60 depending on what's broken would be a good compromise.

I'll try that. On most occasions, I play as the outside guy and usually kick to on side or the other. I'll try using some middle people too. I usually play contain and force the returner inside towards my guys. It also sounds like it might be a personell issue. Maybe placing too many big men on kickoff, which I know we have no control over. I think, by what you're saying, is that too much may have been tweaked here. In 08 (my experience) players were bunching up or converging too quickly and making it somewhat easy to run around everyone with a speedy player.

As for punts, I'll just have to see if I can see what you see. Right now, I have now reason to believe you or not to believe you.

I think everyone would agree with a discounted price game.

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I would have to say no, they would have gave it a go anyway.This is nothing new from EA Sports,every year we go through the same thing with either Madden or NCAA on next gen.
When have you seen a Next Gen EA Sports Football title pushed back because they found issues that have to be addressed before being released and the release date was pushed back?
I find it hard to believe that with some of the issues that are in this game were NOT seen by testers, when most of us could clearly see them on day one.

Yeah, you're right. they probably would try to push it out anyways. Only reason I could see for them not pushing back is due to it's licensing. It may be a date they MUST ship by. That's pure speculation on my part though.

I agree totally with you though. Testers or someone should have seen this before the general public. It's a pretty big problem(s). Hopefully it's all hashed out shortly.

[brk1078]

Its good that they are now deciding to talk to us the gamers. Its hard to always keep in touch with us. They are probably working on the roster patch now, and that takes a lot of work.

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OK, next time you play watch the coverage team on the kickoff is doing. The men on the wings will run straight down the sidelines, but not break at the ball carrier until he is past them. Now look at the other coverage members, they get blocked too easily and don't shed these blocks. In the event they don't get blocked, they run very slow. You literally don't see a defender until you reach the 30. 1 or 2 moves and you are gone. In previous versions the defenders would Sprint down the field and converge on the ball.

Punt coverage, the gunners get tied up and the rest of the team doesn't sprint down the field.

I would rather have a complete game, but if they can't do that, then yeah, I guess selling this game at a discount price of $19.99 to $39.99 instead of $60 depending on what's broken would be a good compromise.

I tried what you said. I also just let people run on their own with no user input. I can see where you're coming from. Most people are too slow. Also, the Contain guys are too fast, not in speed rating, but just that they seem to sprint in a straight line instead of slowing up and forcing the action inside no matter what. I totally see where you're coming from. I don't completely agree that it's busted or broken. It does need some tuning, but it still works IMO.

Punts, on the other hand, seem ok to me. I messed around with this in practice though so I could face different types of returns and coverages. If my gunners were doubled, I had a tough time getting them through. If I did a Max Cover Punt, I could get decent coverage. When they bring the punt Block, it's easy for the gunners as long as you get the punt off. Single coverage worked fine for me.

I was primarily using Big Ten teams when I was looking at this. Let me know if you think I should try some other teams. Or let me know if, I'm just rambling and you really don't care. Just trying to find the good and bad and hopefully next year they can make some improvements based on our observations. I think we really need to take advantage of EA's increased presence here.

[fistofrage]

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I tried what you said. I also just let people run on their own with no user input. I can see where you're coming from. Most people are too slow. Also, the Contain guys are too fast, not in speed rating, but just that they seem to sprint in a straight line instead of slowing up and forcing the action inside no matter what. I totally see where you're coming from. I don't completely agree that it's busted or broken. It does need some tuning, but it still works IMO.

Punts, on the other hand, seem ok to me. I messed around with this in practice though so I could face different types of returns and coverages. If my gunners were doubled, I had a tough time getting them through. If I did a Max Cover Punt, I could get decent coverage. When they bring the punt Block, it's easy for the gunners as long as you get the punt off. Single coverage worked fine for me.

I was primarily using Big Ten teams when I was looking at this. Let me know if you think I should try some other teams. Or let me know if, I'm just rambling and you really don't care. Just trying to find the good and bad and hopefully next year they can make some improvements based on our observations. I think we really need to take advantage of EA's increased presence here.

One other thing that is broken is the fact that if you call a punt block formation, They stay in and block, noone gets down field. You literally have 30 yards of open space. Try that.

Sometimes on the punt coverage has been OK, but I have never ever seen gunners get down quick enough that I would be forced to call for a fair catch. The Linemen never get down field so 1 juke and you are in the clear even if the gunners get to you. It just feels broken to me, but Adam said they are looking into it, so I look forward to that.

[rudyjuly2]

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One other thing that is broken is the fact that if you call a punt block formation, They stay in and block, noone gets down field. You literally have 30 yards of open space. Try that.

That is bad but you know what - I don't call punt block anymore because of that. Rather than get annoyed and start getting angry, I just use a simple house rule that allows me to enjoy the game. I realize some gamers won't be able to accept the game for some of its flaws but simple solutions do exist (even if they shouldn't be necessary in the first place). The punt return game is bad but I just use some house rules to allow me to see past it.

[mudtiger]

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Speaking of designers stepping up to the plate, what would go a long way in keeping me a NCAA buyer in years to come would be an apology.

I think the NCAA team needs to issue an apology to the community for releasing a game with sliders that don't work for the cpu, roster editing that crashes the game, and online dynasties that crash. This apology should say how embarrassed the whole team is over releasing a game with issues found within 7 days of release and how we are working not only to correct these issues for owners of the game as fast as possible through a patch, but those in charge are moving to ensure this never happens again in ensuing NCAA releases.

It doesn't even have to mention gameplay.