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  • Jistic
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2003
    • 16405

    #61
    Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

    Walter's rookie year was 1975, the first year I started really watching the Bears. I remember the 70's teams very well. And Walter was obviously a beast.

    But it wasn't until the 80's that Finks built up the lines. Covert, Thayer, Hilgerburg, Bortz, Van Horn, that line was DEATH. That extended Walter's career, cuz he was a marked man. McMahon brought the threat of a real passing game..but he couldn't stay heathy. That was the single reason the Bears weren't a dynasty. BUT at least they won a freaking super bowl.

    Since those days the team has barely bothered to commit to rebuilding that line. What did we do instead? We drafted guys like Salaam, Enis, Conway, trade our pick for Rick Mirer, McNoun, David Terrell, Cedric Benson. Grossman etc. Only three first round Olineman (this year included) drafted since Jimbo Covert in 1983! That's 25 years.

    All these guys bust. All of 'em. Why? Didn't other teams have them reasonably high on their draft boards. We draft guys like Grossman and McNown who everyone loved coming out of college. We get all excited about them, then after 4-5 shaky games the media, the fans all immediately want them out. Get that flashy passer out and give me that scappy dink and dunk artist.

    Everyone wanted Jim Miller because he was "steady". The fans here simply can't sit through bad rookie QB seasons. Never have, never will. They'll throw their hands up immediately and want the next guy....then the next guy...then the next guy...and it never ends...ever. No QB will ever get developed here. First we bitch that he's on the bench and he should get in their and take his lumps. . . then when he does we'll bitch the he should be pulled for (insert dink and dunk QB here).

    Last year the Bears gave up over 40 sacks. Was it all 3 QB's faults? Cuz they all played. The running game averaged a whopping 3.1 yards per carry. Dead LAST in the NFL. C'mon now Thomas Jones was soild, but he aint LT. 3.1 per carry? These guys were getting killed every snap.

    I just wonder which 'journalist' will have the nut to call out Olin Kreutz who's play has been down the toilet for the last 3 years but nobody calls im out on it. He fumbles exchanges with every QB, yet it was only an issue with Rex. And he gets pushed around way too much now.

    If they could I'd trade some defensive studs and retool a little bit while also improving from the draft. But this team is at best 3 years away from having an NFL offense. And on top of it all, there's still Ron Turner.
    Last edited by Jistic; 08-19-2008, 01:55 PM.
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    • Dice
      Sitting by the door
      • Jul 2002
      • 6627

      #62
      Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

      How about the Bears cannot draft offense, period! For the last 25 years we've had a total of five draft picks that represented the Bears in a pro-bowl. Five freakin guys!

      And yes, Olin Kruetz needs to go fast.
      I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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      • Jistic
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2003
        • 16405

        #63
        Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

        They can't. Angelo never could. Look at his track record in Tampa. He couldn't draft offense there either.

        But more than that is they don't develop anyone. All these top 10-15 picks, all busting. Hell, just trade our picks for veterans from now on.
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        • Motown
          OS Brew Connoisseur
          • Jul 2002
          • 9169

          #64
          Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

          Kyle Orton named starting QB...thoughts?
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          • bluengold34_OS
            Content Creator
            • Nov 2004
            • 7346

            #65
            Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

            Originally posted by Motown
            Kyle Orton named starting QB...thoughts?
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            At this point and time, it's like choosing between dying by drowning or by being burned alive. We just do not have enough talent to help Kyle out. If you put kyle on a team like say the Vikings, he could have a very nice season. I think Kyle makes better choices, see's the field better and has a little more pocket composure than Rex.

            Let's be honest though, really all he is going to see this year is an old Marty Booker being covered by the opposing teams water boy, Devin Hester screaming down the field ( images of Stripes, when the platoon is on the obstacle course ) and 8 men in the box, with drool running down their chins as they prepare to smash Kyle and Matt into the ground
            Last edited by bluengold34_OS; 08-20-2008, 08:50 AM.
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            • Dice
              Sitting by the door
              • Jul 2002
              • 6627

              #66
              Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

              Originally posted by Motown
              Kyle Orton named starting QB...thoughts?
              link
              My thought about it...not good.

              No disrespect to Orton because he is a decent QB...and that's about as good as it's going to get with him. But with the talent around him he's not going to last long and we'll end up seeing Grossman back in the QB spot by week 4. Then the spiral downward will twirl even faster.
              I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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              • Jistic
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2003
                • 16405

                #67
                Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

                Well being that he's the lowest rated starter in the NFL, with the lowest completion % of any starter in the NFL, I'm not excited.

                I expect we'll see 3 or yes 4 QB's this year because it will be a M*A*S*H unit out there.

                I expect Forte to average 3.5 or worse a carry as well. It will be ugly.


                And Mo, where have ya been?
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                • Motown
                  OS Brew Connoisseur
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 9169

                  #68
                  Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

                  Originally posted by Jistic
                  Well being that he's the lowest rated starter in the NFL, with the lowest completion % of any starter in the NFL, I'm not excited.

                  I expect we'll see 3 or yes 4 QB's this year because it will be a M*A*S*H unit out there.

                  I expect Forte to average 3.5 or worse a carry as well. It will be ugly.


                  And Mo, where have ya been?
                  Summertime bro...you won't catch me inside mashin' bu...ons
                  pigskin season comin' up, & i'm just makin' cameos right now.
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                  • Jistic
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 16405

                    #69
                    Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

                    Missed ya bruh'

                    Get ready to start scouting some Canes to rebuild the Bears with!
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                    • ezekiel55
                      Th*s F*c* C*sh*s Ch*cks
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 2156

                      #70
                      Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

                      Rumor has it, according to ESPN, that Anquan Boldin is now demanding the trade...earlier he stated that he was going to play the season out with Arizona but things have become to contentious.

                      Perhaps the Bears use one these future busts/draft picks and trade for this guy. He is amazingly talented and would bring a legitimate skill postion player to our roster, which we so desperately need.

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                      • Jistic
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 16405

                        #71
                        Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

                        Bears would never do it. And after a year he'd hate playing here.

                        I'm hearing Lito Sheppard from Philly is the guy in play for Boldin.

                        Sounds like a lot of those guys in Arizona don't like the coach.
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                        • Motown
                          OS Brew Connoisseur
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 9169

                          #72
                          Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

                          Originally posted by Jistic
                          Missed ya bruh'

                          Get ready to start scouting some Canes to rebuild the Bears with!
                          Cane...Shhhmane It's Parka time...as in Preston
                          Hesta's the man tho

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                          • Jistic
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 16405

                            #73
                            Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

                            Alright boys, game tonight. Is this on Fox again? Or this is a national game?

                            Let's see what Orton does now that he knows he's the starter. This is the dress rehearsal game. I wanna see the D show a little more fight tonight.

                            Also wanna see if Kyle Orton can throw the ball 30 yards.
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                            • Bighoff
                              The Bird is the word
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5312

                              #74
                              Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

                              It is on Fox, as for being a national game not sure. It is on in Louisville, the 1st preseason game I've seen live this year.
                              I've heard this "patience is a virtue" junk all my life. I'm happy to say I have no virtue, no scruples, and no desire to wait too long for anything. In my humble opinion instant gratification takes too long!

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                              • bluengold34_OS
                                Content Creator
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 7346

                                #75
                                Re: 2008 Chicago Bears Den

                                Yep, its national tonight, no sopcast needed

                                I wish the NFL Sunday also allowed me to get the pre-season games.
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