Backbreaker Preview (IGN)

**Pared** · 08-23-2008, 04:29 PM

Re: Backbreaker Preview (IGN)

Originally posted by Bigdmo9999

They still are, but the people here are more of the same

That's a good way to get everyone to respect you here: Call them idiots.

**Smokez4DAyz** · 08-23-2008, 06:06 PM

It could turn out well, but like most gamers, that NFL license keeps me with Madden, and I'm feeling this action cam on madden, not ready for a new camera view, it aint broke, dont fix it.

**Bigdmo9999** · 08-23-2008, 11:41 PM

Re: Backbreaker Preview (IGN)

Originally posted by Pared

That's a good way to get everyone to respect you here: Call them idiots.

I'm sure most people hate me for my "extreme *** kissing of a company that isn't proven". I said MOST though, you aren't making any bonehead comments regarding the game.

**jmood88** · 08-24-2008, 02:16 AM

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If you put something in quotation marks you should probably make sure it was actually said first.

**Bigdmo9999** · 08-24-2008, 01:04 PM

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Okay sorry, I didn't know the rule. Damn me for not saying exactly what was said. You act like I was quoting your or something take it easy man.

**nuckles2k2** · 08-24-2008, 05:16 PM

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I'm kind of having a hard time understanding how people are saying they don't like the fact that the word arcade is being associated with this game as opposed to the word sim.

The companies who make Madden, NFL 2K, NBA 2K, MLB 08, etc. All use animations captured by grown men in full body suits mimicking movements from the respective sports, and thos limited number of animations are applied to the game. And the algorithms used in the game tries to determine what animation to trigger in every situation.

Backbreaker...model of a human body with working joints and the human motor nervous system; governed by a pretty much proven engine that emulates the physics of real life.

By definition the game is already a sim.

**mercalnd** · 08-24-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by nuckles2k2

I'm kind of having a hard time understanding how people are saying they don't like the fact that the word arcade is being associated with this game as opposed to the word sim.

The companies who make Madden, NFL 2K, NBA 2K, MLB 08, etc. All use animations captured by grown men in full body suits mimicking movements from the respective sports, and thos limited number of animations are applied to the game. And the algorithms used in the game tries to determine what animation to trigger in every situation.

Backbreaker...model of a human body with working joints and the human motor nervous system; governed by a pretty much proven engine that emulates the physics of real life.

By definition the game is already a sim.

Not quite. By definition, the physics will be more sim than anything we've seen before. That says nothing about the actual football. A lot of guys read about real physics and assume that since physics are a bigger part of football than perhaps any other sport then a game with real physics has to be a great football game. That is just totally ignoring the AI which is just as important, if not more than the physics. That's the part people are questioning since this is the company's first football game.

**allBthere** · 08-24-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by Smokez4DAyz

It could turn out well, but like most gamers, that NFL license keeps me with Madden, and I'm feeling this action cam on madden, not ready for a new camera view, it aint broke, dont fix it.

this is the crie du coeur. It's (madden) badly broken to me, and to others. I don't enjoy madden in the least, and i've tried hard to. So what your saying is, to compete or to put out a product that will satisfy people like me, is to make a game that uses the exact same assumptions and mechanics from a game that I don't even like?

I WANT A NEW GAME!!! so do many others...

so why fight it? why put down or argue with a game that's different? Whether it comes out or not, if it's good or not, I don't get the dissent. I don't get why people need to chime in with reasons why it will fail. Why not just let it be what it is, and let people who are looking forward to it discuss it?

To anyone who says: 'this is vaporware' 'they haven't shown us anything' 'this is a tech demo' 'this will suck' or 'they won't get the AI right' ---- what the hell is your motivation man?

I know i don't waste my time talking about things i don't give a **** about all day, so I guess i don't understand why another human would do that ****.

It seems to me there are some people here who actually want this game to be a failure or not come out at all. Why don't you ask yourselves why the hell you feel that way and share it with the rest of us? If you can't do that, then why not just shut it...

**jmood88** · 08-25-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by nuckles2k2

I'm kind of having a hard time understanding how people are saying they don't like the fact that the word arcade is being associated with this game as opposed to the word sim.

The companies who make Madden, NFL 2K, NBA 2K, MLB 08, etc. All use animations captured by grown men in full body suits mimicking movements from the respective sports, and thos limited number of animations are applied to the game. And the algorithms used in the game tries to determine what animation to trigger in every situation.

Backbreaker...model of a human body with working joints and the human motor nervous system; governed by a pretty much proven engine that emulates the physics of real life.

By definition the game is already a sim.

Having a realistic physics engine does not equal a sim football game.

**jmood88** · 08-25-2008, 01:44 AM

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Why does another person's opinion of whether the game is coming out or not make you so angry?

**Mason81Ballin!!!** · 08-25-2008, 02:15 AM

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if this game ever comes out it will be interesting to see how it plays and sells without trhe nfl label.. ala APF2K8

**Pared** · 08-25-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by nuckles2k2

I'm kind of having a hard time understanding how people are saying they don't like the fact that the word arcade is being associated with this game as opposed to the word sim.

The companies who make Madden, NFL 2K, NBA 2K, MLB 08, etc. All use animations captured by grown men in full body suits mimicking movements from the respective sports, and thos limited number of animations are applied to the game. And the algorithms used in the game tries to determine what animation to trigger in every situation.

Backbreaker...model of a human body with working joints and the human motor nervous system; governed by a pretty much proven engine that emulates the physics of real life.

By definition the game is already a sim.

I don't get caught up in all the hoopla. People take little shots at the game, then disappear for another two months. Arcade, sim... people don't know what the heck they're talking about half the time. Labeling the game after seeing 5 mins. worth of video? C'mon.

FACT: Given what we've seen, the tackling engine is more realistic than any other game out there, including 2k5 and any Madden ever.

That alone has me excited. If they can flesh out the rest of the game, as long as this isn't some over the top, ridiculous arcade game I'll certainly give it a look.

**K_GUN** · 08-25-2008, 09:16 AM

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damn

didn't think my opinion would evolve into this mess of a thread

pass me the kool-aid jim

**ComfortablyLomb** · 08-25-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Pared

Arcade, sim... people don't know what the heck they're talking about half the time.

No, but I'll you what, Madden has no Crown of Simness in any video game realm that I acknowledge. That ship seems to have sailed.

I'm still cautiously optimistic about this one. The little teasers we've seen make me drool a bit but who knows how anything like this comes together. I just want some decent football. =\

**stiffarmleft** · 08-25-2008, 11:34 AM

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This game is a glimpse of the future, with the amount of high profile games using this technology, canned animations are a thing of the past. This technology offer substance over flash, something missing in most new games, especially sports.

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