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  • P2K
    Banned
    • Aug 2006
    • 8845

    #166
    Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

    Originally posted by mdbussen
    Errrr... the point is that it is physically impossible to curl a ball on a freekick that much with any kind of control. It's not that I CAN'T produce an accurate freekick; it's just that I SHOULDN'T be able to curl the ball as much as I am able to with any given player. It's unrealistic.
    Understood.

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    • BrianFifaFan
      Semi-retired
      • Oct 2003
      • 4137

      #167
      Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

      Originally posted by calcutta
      All my controller settings are on Manual, except for shooting which is on Semi. My player switching slider is one click from the left. It happens on grounded passes too occasionally (the cursor automatically switches to a player who is further away from the ball than the intended receiver) but in those cases its easy too switch manually to the receiver and collect the pass, since there is usually no opposing player around.

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      One thing i'm enjoying is that i've had quite a few breakaways which is something i rarely had in any previous FIFAs against the CPU. I'm getting at least 1-2 clear breaks on goal during each game of the demo, so i can expect even more in the full game when i'll be playing my usual 8-10 minute halves. And this is playing on Pro too. I've just gotta start putting these chances away...

      Has anyone noticed if central defenders come up in the box for corners by default, or if there are certain settings you have to change to make that happen? Looking through the settings that avilable to us in the demo , and those tactics which are greyed out, i don't think any of them would have a direct influence on calling certain players up for corners...I think one time playing as Real Madrid both Pepe and Sergio Ramos came up (it was difficult to tell, but i went to Replay mode and pressed RB to change targets and these two came straight after i targeted Casillas in goal as players in the box, so i'm assuming it was them) but when playing as Chelsea i noticed both Terry and Carvalho were still at the half way line.

      I was really hoping FIFA would steal and even build upon PES's "Players to bring up option" so we can manually select players to be in the box. By 'build upon' i mean that i'd be keen to see other options like choosing who to stay back at the halfway, and being able to select as many players to brings up as possible, not just 3 choices like PES 08.
      I miss how Fifa used to have the "off the ball" control. Now you just hit the RB and the game selects the closest man for a run. What I'd like to see is you hold the RB and it gives you the four closest guys with an icon above them like the basketball passing icons. You then hit the button and use the right stick to tell them in which direction to go. Release the RB and pass. Much more intuitive and gives a depth of control and variety in attacking options. I will say that the old "off the ball" control was very clunky and hard to pull off. I think the style I mentioned fits more in with the way the game controls now.
      Note to Tiburon Marketing:

      A great product sells itself, no "back of the box" features required! (See Fifa...)

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      • Vince
        Bow for Bau
        • Aug 2002
        • 26017

        #168
        Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

        Originally posted by BrianFifaFan
        I miss how Fifa used to have the "off the ball" control. Now you just hit the RB and the game selects the closest man for a run. What I'd like to see is you hold the RB and it gives you the four closest guys with an icon above them like the basketball passing icons. You then hit the button and use the right stick to tell them in which direction to go. Release the RB and pass. Much more intuitive and gives a depth of control and variety in attacking options. I will say that the old "off the ball" control was very clunky and hard to pull off. I think the style I mentioned fits more in with the way the game controls now.
        Have you played PES on the Wii?

        The passing gives you so many options. It's really a true lead/area passing.

        It's hard as **** though.
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        • BrianFifaFan
          Semi-retired
          • Oct 2003
          • 4137

          #169
          Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

          Originally posted by Vince
          Have you played PES on the Wii?

          The passing gives you so many options. It's really a true lead/area passing.

          It's hard as **** though.
          Nope. I'm a graphics ho' and like having 72 buttons to press. :wink: And I'd look real stupid flailing my arms around in my living room for the neighbors to see. LOL. Yeah Fifa PC has a mouse configuration where you can point and aim which seems like a knockoff of PES's scheme. Just not interactive enough for me. Plus, I'm a Pro Cam kinda guy. It wouldn't work with the point and pass model......
          Note to Tiburon Marketing:

          A great product sells itself, no "back of the box" features required! (See Fifa...)

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          • therizing02
            MVP
            • Apr 2003
            • 4176

            #170
            Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

            Originally posted by Vince
            Have you played PES on the Wii?

            The passing gives you so many options. It's really a true lead/area passing.

            It's hard as **** though.
            FIFA 09 on the Wii has the same passing model. You're right, it's very difficult.

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            • baa7
              Banned
              • Jul 2004
              • 11691

              #171
              Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

              Originally posted by P2K
              CPU gets the ball in the middle near the penalty area and gets pressured...what does he do? He dribbles the ball ALLLLLLLLLLLL the way over to the flanks and finds a way to cross it!

              FIFA 08 again.
              Yeesh... That was a truly horrible bit of game programming in last year's game, and it hasn't been fixed? Looks like I'll be renting this title first.

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              • Moses Shuttlesworth
                AB>
                • Aug 2006
                • 9435

                #172
                Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

                Originally posted by baa7
                Yeesh... That was a truly horrible bit of game programming in last year's game, and it hasn't been fixed? Looks like I'll be renting this title first.
                Idk if that will cause me to rent the game as opposed to buying it, but it puzzles me how they haven't fixed it yet,

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                • drjohnnyboy
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 17

                  #173
                  Guys, I'm trying to pull off dummies by using the RB button, but it seems it only responds to the command 20% of the time, even when the receiving player is facing the ball while it's coming to him. Does anyone else have that problem. It's a great addition to the gameplay when it does work.

                  A few pages back someone said they could not change the camera zoom or height in the demo, you can by changing the "default" camera setting to "custom" and then playing with the sliders.

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                  • baa7
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 11691

                    #174
                    Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

                    Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth
                    Idk if that will cause me to rent the game as opposed to buying it, but it puzzles me how they haven't fixed it yet,
                    The problem, is that bit of horrible, idiotic programming happens a huge percentage every time the CPU brings the ball up and into the User's end of the pitch. Couple that with the game speed issues (too fast) that I'm seeing in the vids and reading about here, and the game for me has gone from a must-buy to a will-rent-first.

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                    • P2K
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 8845

                      #175
                      Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

                      The more I play the demo, the less I like it.

                      I'm still see the same ol' "CPU will dribble forever until pressured and will pass as a last resort" dealy. And because of this, I'm stealing the ball WAY too much because the CPU just does not like passing the ball around.

                      There's no building up of an attack from the CPU. It's the same "dribble, dribble, dribble-pass as a last resort-make perfect pass to someone down the flank so he can cross it" crap. With the a little more than occasional pop it up the middle play.

                      Listen, it's not God awful. But still...

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                      • EXboxur
                        MVP
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 559

                        #176
                        Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

                        Things I noticed in the demo while playing on World Class (360):

                        Good:
                        * Ball hook and slice. Players seem to have a good idea of which part of their foot to strike the ball with. Kuranyi, for example, was to the right side of the goal, just outside the box and I struck the ball looking to go to the left (far) post. Well, Kuranyi struck the ball with his right foot, as that is where the ball was at the time, but he used the outside of his foot and the ball sliced wonderfully, just missing the left post. (I'm not talking about free kicks here.)

                        * Players movement into space and calling for ball. Having said that, players should still make diagonal runs or bend them a bit.

                        * Defenders react better.

                        * D-pad tactics are great.

                        * Refs and linesman. Finally!

                        * Keepers move quickly to distribute the ball.

                        * Dummy pass button.

                        * Collisions.


                        Bad:
                        * Game speed is too fast, even on the Slow setting. Not quite PES, but, errrr. (Yes, I know it can be adjusted and I KNOW it's not the final version, but I'm giving you my opinion.) I want some build up in MY play AND CPU play. The fact that the demo is only 2x2min does create a sense of urgency to move the ball upfield in a hurry too. EA messed up making the demo so short. It should've at least been 3x3 or 4x4 with option to turn penalites off.

                        * Midfield gets too ping-pongey.

                        * Lower star teams play like 5 star teams. (I'm looking at YOU Toronto).

                        * Players take too long to get passes off their feet. When you couple this with faster reacting defenders, you are left with about 0.0sec to pass the ball.

                        * Players take too long to control ball.

                        * Ball speed is too fast when shooting. Many times it looks as if my players are kicking those $1 rubber balls you get from Wal-Mart or the grocery store in those big bins. You know, the ones you throw at your little cousins head for a laugh.

                        * Ball is a bit floaty.

                        * Through balls. Assisted through balls are often placed poorly and manual through balls are either weighted too heavily or too lightly to be worthwhile. Euro 2008 had good (maybe too good) through balls.

                        * Passing direction seems a bit off at times. And I don't mean the pass isn't spot on. What I mean is (using the Tele cam), I'll intend to pass to a player who is at say 4 or 5 o'clock and the pass goes to a player at 3 o'clock. This doesn't ALWAYS happen, but happens just enough to be noticeable.

                        * Player switching is at times unresponsive or gives me a player who is pursuing the player on the ball as opposed to a player who is in a better position to cut off the player with the ball.

                        * Lots of balls hitting the post for me and not the CPU. Maybe I am just getting unlucky or maybe it's a case of magnet post. (I use semi for shooting just so you know.)

                        * Difficult moves like rainbow flick are still too easy to pull off, while step-overs are too difficult to pull off, especially from the Tele cam view.

                        * AI keepers distribute the ball pretty poorly, sometimes rolling the ball to a defender directly in front of them when a forward is right next to him.


                        Ugly:
                        * Glitchy delayed yellow card system. (This is perhaps a demo thing, but several CPU players received yellow cards when they didn't foul me or anybody else on my team. I saw the thread about this already and posted there. I know refs hold off on giving out cards so as not to disrupt play, but this is definitely a glitch related to that).

                        * Keepers punt the ball downfield into the backs of players several yards in front of them. I know it happens IRL, but if we are going to have these sorts of errors in the game, then we should also have players completely miss striking easy volleys, stepping on the ball and tripping when attempting to do tricks, or slipping when taking penalties (like Becks), etc.

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                        I know it's only a demo so I'll definitely hold off from passing final judgement on the game.
                        ........................Operation Sports Champions League 2 Champion........................

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                        • bucksfan07
                          Pro
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 827

                          #177
                          Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

                          Finally got around to down loading the demo and I'm pretty impressed so far. Looks like a day one purchase. You can tell they upped the graphics just from the demo compared to last year

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                          • funkysven
                            Rookie
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 118

                            #178
                            Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

                            im sorry if i have missed it. i have gone through all the pages. how do u dummy the ball through your legs on the PS3?

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                            • taiketsu
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 48

                              #179
                              I completely agree with your comments, Exboxur. The more I play this demo, the more shallow it's begun to feel. The AI is still lacking, and the gameplay is still a not quite PES at it's peak ie PES07 on ps2.

                              Like everybody else, I think a rental will be needed before I can make a final decision between the two big footie titals.

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                              • emc12
                                Rookie
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 42

                                #180
                                Re: FIFA 09 Demo Available, Impressions Here

                                Originally posted by funkysven
                                im sorry if i have missed it. i have gone through all the pages. how do u dummy the ball through your legs on the PS3?

                                hold R1

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