Madden 09 Patch #2 Released, Impressions Here

[Walker8]

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Do you even know what a monopoly is?

Yes I do. They've pretty much cornered the market when it comes to football titles. Having the exclusive license is part of that. In legal terms there are ways around defining it as such, because 2k can still release a football game if they want, but it's still not worth their while. In theory it pretty much is a monopoly because EA has sufficient control over what we get to play as far as football games. They have exclusive rights over the nfl license.

[SoxFan01605]

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QB takes way too long to hike the ball. I really didn't see the problem with that before. Now my friends and I are somewhat forced to increase the quarter length so we don't get only 1 possession each half. Everything else in the patch is fine but I liked the time it took the cpu to hike it much better before. I think it slows down the game and is sort of annoying.

lol...that was the point. Many people wanted more time to make adjustments and not be "quick-snapped" by the CPU. I understand your frustration, but it's an intended feature...one I like, actually. the down side to it, IMO, is that they are slow on every type of posession...including etra points, FGs, punts, and when they're in the 2min offense. Hopefully that's tuned next year. Also, maybe they should think about adding a "quick play" type feature, that is designed to get you through the game faster. Some games have been doing this for awhile (e.g. baseball games have it where it eliminates batter walk ups, certain cut scenes, etc. There's even an option for generated pitch counts to speed that up). That would be a good solution for all, IMO.

[SoxFan01605]

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Yes I do. They've pretty much cornered the market when it comes to football titles. Having the exclusive license is part of that. That's exactly what a monopoly is.

No, that is not what a monopoly is. They are not preventing anyone from making a videogame, or more specifically, a football videogame. What they have cornered is the NFL brand. Brand licensing is NOT a monopoly.

[Walker8]

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No, that is not what a monopoly is. They are not preventing anyone from making a videogame, or more specifically, a football videogame. What they have cornered is the NFL brand. Brand licensing is NOT a monopoly.

read my post again. I was in the midst of editing it. In theory it is a monopoly because the end result is the same to the consumer. It just can't be legally defined as such. The nfl can do what they want to do and benefit, but to the average consumer we pretty much are left playing one football game.

[kehlis]

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this cannot be looked at in any way as a monopoly because there are many other video games out there you can buy by many other companies...if ea was the ONLY video game company that would be considered a monopoly bc theoretically they could charge what they want for games because they have no competition...

you cant break it down to football, baseball or basketball games when talking about a monopoly...

[gsr888]

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I've noticed a lot more penalties being called. I ran into a problem playing a franchise game. The game just keeps on panning the stadium with different camera angles. The play call screen is not coming up anymore. Pressing start gets no response either. I hope this is an isolated incident!

[SoxFan01605]

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read my post again. I was in the midst of editing it.

Gotcha. I agree that the NFL license is key to all this. Unfortunately, the NFL wanted this and EA was very willing to pay (and apparently keep paying). It's not a monopoly, but I can agree that it essentially functions as one from a practical standpoint.

[Walker8]

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it's capitalism at it's finest adn the rich getting richer is all i'm saying... to the average consumer and the little man, we are pretty much screwed as always. lol.

Yeah the nfl has every right to sell their license and benefit and EA has the right to purchase that as an asset and benefit as well. All I was saying is the end result as far as I see it as a consumer is it's pretty much the same as a monopoly. No it's not in legal terms but from a consumer standpoint it might as well be. 2k can continue the nfl 2k series but why would they when they would most likely lose money without a license? licensing imo is just a way to redefine and get around it being defined as such. I'm not knocking ea for that either or saying it's right or wrong. They are doing business within the rules that are set. It just is what it is.

[BigD]

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Thanks to whomever, Ian maybe, for adding to the length of Marion Barber's dreads. I don't know if this is the result of the roster update or if it was included in patch #2; regardless, thanks. It now feels a bit more "right".

[slip3rman]

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Has anyone had issues with the clock not stopping when being tackled out of bounds? I was just playing and I got knocked out of bounds twice, but the clock continued to run inside two minutes and I had to burn 2 timeouts. I eventually got sacked and had the half run out on me.

[countryboy]

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Ok. The lack of fatigue is really starting to wear on me. Its frustrating to put long drives together but still not have anyone get tired.

In my opening pre-season game, I just put together a 13 play drive that ate up 7:45 off the clock and not one single person was tired. I have my sub in/out at 95/100 for all skill positions on offense and all postitions on defense. Arrggghh.

This is seriously frustrating.

[The Chef]

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Ok. The lack of fatigue is really starting to wear on me. Its frustrating to put long drives together but still not have anyone get tired.

In my opening pre-season game, I just put together a 13 play drive that ate up 7:45 off the clock and not one single person was tired. I have my sub in/out at 95/100 for all skill positions on offense and all postitions on defense. Arrggghh.

This is seriously frustrating.

Didnt they have a problem with fatigue from last year as well? So, nobody is getting subbed out at all? Or are players getting subbed out but they recover quicker then they tire so they leave and are back the very next play?

[countryboy]

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Didnt they have a problem with fatigue from last year as well? So, nobody is getting subbed out at all? Or are players getting subbed out but they recover quicker then they tire so they leave and are back the very next play?

I didn't play '08 in depth enough to know how bad the fatigue issue was or even if there was one. The fact that players disappeared in franchise and the turnover fest really turned me off to that game to where I only played against friends and occasionally online.

I am not seeing players get subbed at all. On top of that, I am not seeing players even get remotely tired, at least according to the numbered dots on the play call screen. They are supposed to turn to yellow then red for players that are getting tired and for those who are exhausted.

The 'Phins put together a drive of 6:30 and not one player on my defense got subbed, let alone tired. My DL was still in tact and fine as were my LB's. My secondary was as well, but thats not my biggest beef. DL/LB's should get at least fatgued and DT's should come out for a play or two on long substained drives by the offense.

I am so frustrated and annoyed at this game right now, that for the first time since I've had it, I've turned it off due to those two things, frustrated and annoyed.

[MJenness]

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I didn't play '08 in depth enough to know how bad the fatigue issue was or even if there was one. The fact that players disappeared in franchise and the turnover fest really turned me off to that game to where I only played against friends and occasionally online.

I am not seeing players get subbed at all. On top of that, I am not seeing players even get remotely tired, at least according to the numbered dots on the play call screen. They are supposed to turn to yellow then red for players that are getting tired and for those who are exhausted.

The 'Phins put together a drive of 6:30 and not one player on my defense got subbed, let alone tired. My DL was still in tact and fine as were my LB's. My secondary was as well, but thats not my biggest beef. DL/LB's should get at least fatgued and DT's should come out for a play or two on long substained drives by the offense.

I am so frustrated and annoyed at this game right now, that for the first time since I've had it, I've turned it off due to those two things, frustrated and annoyed.

I agree. If memory serves me right, Ian said they "toned down" fatigue to counter the online players going no huddle....IMO, the way to fix that would have been to cause HIGHER fatigue for the offense when they went no huddle....casuing false starts, missed assignments, fumbles, picks, etc...

[kehlis]

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I agree. If memory serves me right, Ian said they "toned down" fatigue to counter the online players going no huddle....IMO, the way to fix that would have been to cause HIGHER fatigue for the offense when they went no huddle....casuing false starts, missed assignments, fumbles, picks, etc...

you are correct with what ian said...however, they toned it down because offenses were taking advantage of how quickly the defenses were getting tired not having a chance to get off the field...in a perfect world, like you said a no huddle should affect both offense and defense but apparently it wasnt effecting the offense enough therefore putting the offense at an advantage...