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  • countryboy
    Growing pains
    • Sep 2003
    • 52830

    #1

    After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days....

    ....I find myself more drawn to the PS2 version. Thats right. Now let me say this off the bat, its not that I think the PS3 is a bad game, because in my opinion its not, in fact I think its a good game, I just feel as though the PS2 version is a more complete game. How so you may ask? Well lets get something else out there. The PS2 version can't compete in terms of graphics or animations. Thats a given. And the franchise mode in both versions is pretty lame, although I would give the slight nod to the PS2 version only because of player progression in preseason and the fact that I can see position battles in the preseason. I know, pretty minute huh?

    But on the field, the PS2 version stands above the PS3. The atmosphere for one is more enticing, given the refs on the field, the chain gang, the crowd, the grass stains during non weather games, the dirt infields during the first few weeks of the season, and the animated coaches. Again, its minute, but it really draws you in. And to be quite honest, I enjoy listening to Madden and Michaels call the game vs Collinsworth and Hammond, even though M&M's commentary has been recycled for many, many years.

    But aside from the "fluff", the core gameplay is more solid. Fatigue, the ability to have player matchups, the ability to shade defenders inside or out to better guard slants and/or out patterns, smart zones on defense(being able to have your zone defenders "guard" the first down line) the ability of the QB avoidance, the cpu challenging plays, and seeing passes go awry and/or be dropped are really welcomed and once you play the older versions, you quickly realize how much you are missing them. Robo QB, as people have termed it, still seems the same in the PS2 as the PS3, although the user is given more weapons to counteract. At least, I guess given the complaints I've seen.

    This isn't meant to bash the PS3 version nor meant to be used as a springboard to bash the next gen versions and EA, although we all know it will and which is why I was hesitant to post this at all. But I felt it could be useful to Ian and others to see what a fan of EA football fan thinks about the comparison between the two versions.

    Anyhow, I'll stop here and let other discuss/debate my "findings" and hopefully this thread can stay mature and maybe offer some valuable feedback in regards to what a person like me is looking for in the PS3 version that it doesn't have yet, but really added to the atmosphere of the PS2 version. Who knows.

    But please, lets not turn this thread hostile. If anyone has any specific questions about the PS2 version or would like to know more info on what I feel is better/worse, feel free to ask away. But I will answer one question that people may ask. Yes, I will and am still playing the PS3 version and yes, I now own both versions of the game. Ok, maybe I answered two questions.

    Last edited by countryboy; 10-04-2008, 07:22 PM.
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  • kehlis
    Moderator
    • Jul 2008
    • 27738

    #2
    Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

    Originally posted by countryboy
    ....I find myself more drawn to the PS2 version. Thats right. Now let me say this off the bat, its not that I think the PS3 is a bad game, because in my opinion its not, in fact I think its a good game, I just feel as though the PS2 version is a more complete game. How so you may ask? Well lets get something else out there. The PS2 version can't compete in terms of graphics or animations. Thats a given. And the franchise mode in both versions is pretty lame, although I would give the slight nod to the PS2 version only because of player progression in preseason and the fact that I can see position battles in the preseason. I know, pretty minute huh?

    But on the field, the PS2 version stands above the PS3. The atmosphere for one is more enticing, given the refs on the field, the chain gang, the crowd, the grass stains during non weather games, the dirt infields during the first few weeks of the season, and the animated coaches. Again, its minute, but it really draws you in. And to be quite honest, I enjoy listening to Madden and Michaels call the game vs Collinsworth and Hammond, even though M&M's commentary has been recycled for many, many years.

    But aside from the "fluff", the core gameplay is more solid. Fatigue, the ability to have player matchups, the ability to shade defenders inside or out to better guard slants and/or out patterns, smart zones on defense(being able to have your zone defenders "guard" the first down line) the ability of the QB avoidance, the cpu challenging plays, and seeing passes go awry and/or be dropped are really welcomed and once you play the older versions, you quickly realize how much you are missing them. Robo QB, as people have termed it, still seems the same in the PS2 as the PS3, although the user is given more weapons to counteract. At least, I guess given the complaints I've seen.

    This isn't meant to bash the PS3 version nor meant to be used as a springboard to bash the next gen versions and EA, although we all know it will and which is why I was hesitant to post this at all. But I felt it could be useful to Ian and others to see what a fan of EA football fan thinks about the comparison between the two versions.

    Anyhow, I'll stop here and let other discuss/debate my "findings" and hopefully this thread can stay mature and maybe offer some valuable feedback in regards to what a person like me is looking for in the PS3 version that it doesn't have yet, but really added to the atmosphere of the PS2 version. Who knows.

    But please, lets not turn this thread hostile. If anyone has any specific questions about the PS2 version or would like to know more info on what I feel is better/worse, feel free to ask away. But I will answer one question that people may ask. Yes, I will and am still playing the PS3 version and yes, I now own both versions of the game. Ok, maybe I answered two questions.

    two questions:

    how is the running game??

    and more importantly, i had no idea madden and michaels still did the ps2 version?? why is that? do they still have the old commentary or do they have some new lines (not that i would remember anyway)??

    thanks!

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    • countryboy
      Growing pains
      • Sep 2003
      • 52830

      #3
      Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

      Originally posted by kehlis
      two questions:

      how is the running game??
      very good. LT rushed for over 200yds against me.

      One thing that I notice when playing the two, is that the cpu does too much unnecessary juking when trying to run outside or off tackle.

      As for me, I having a harder time running on the PS2 version vs the PS3. But I am slowly getting better. I think I cracked the 75 yard mark in my last game.

      Originally posted by kehlis
      and more importantly, i had no idea madden and michaels still did the ps2 version?? why is that? do they still have the old commentary or do they have some new lines (not that i would remember anyway)??

      thanks!
      its recycled commentary. There may be new lines, I don't know, but its for the most part the same lines you heard the last 5 or 6 years. Its pretty repetitive, but I enjoy listening to M&M in real life, so its not THAT bad.
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      I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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      • cdon2k
        MVP
        • Mar 2006
        • 1042

        #4
        Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

        Running is the Achilles heel of returning to last gen. It just feels too easy now after playing the next gen games. Also breakaway from wrap tackle moves is sorely missed when going back to last gen. The PS2 trademark flicker and poor online play also have prevented me from making my traditional migration back to PS2. Fact is 09 for next gen is "good enough", not great, but good enough to keep me away from ol' triangle arms..


        P.S. forgot to mention the old school streak mechanic that is way too powerful is also making last gen easier to forget. This coming from someone who hasn't played much of the ps2 version (they may have fixed the streak issue)
        Last edited by cdon2k; 10-04-2008, 07:43 PM.
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        • Revolution42
          Pro
          • Jun 2008
          • 765

          #5
          Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

          Originally posted by countryboy
          ....I find myself more drawn to the PS2 version. Thats right. Now let me say this off the bat, its not that I think the PS3 is a bad game, because in my opinion its not, in fact I think its a good game, I just feel as though the PS2 version is a more complete game. How so you may ask? Well lets get something else out there. The PS2 version can't compete in terms of graphics or animations. Thats a given. And the franchise mode in both versions is pretty lame, although I would give the slight nod to the PS2 version only because of player progression in preseason and the fact that I can see position battles in the preseason. I know, pretty minute huh?

          But on the field, the PS2 version stands above the PS3. The atmosphere for one is more enticing, given the refs on the field, the chain gang, the crowd, the grass stains during non weather games, the dirt infields during the first few weeks of the season, and the animated coaches. Again, its minute, but it really draws you in. And to be quite honest, I enjoy listening to Madden and Michaels call the game vs Collinsworth and Hammond, even though M&M's commentary has been recycled for many, many years.

          But aside from the "fluff", the core gameplay is more solid. Fatigue, the ability to have player matchups, the ability to shade defenders inside or out to better guard slants and/or out patterns, smart zones on defense(being able to have your zone defenders "guard" the first down line) the ability of the QB avoidance, the cpu challenging plays, and seeing passes go awry and/or be dropped are really welcomed and once you play the older versions, you quickly realize how much you are missing them. Robo QB, as people have termed it, still seems the same in the PS2 as the PS3, although the user is given more weapons to counteract. At least, I guess given the complaints I've seen.

          This isn't meant to bash the PS3 version nor meant to be used as a springboard to bash the next gen versions and EA, although we all know it will and which is why I was hesitant to post this at all. But I felt it could be useful to Ian and others to see what a fan of EA football fan thinks about the comparison between the two versions.

          Anyhow, I'll stop here and let other discuss/debate my "findings" and hopefully this thread can stay mature and maybe offer some valuable feedback in regards to what a person like me is looking for in the PS3 version that it doesn't have yet, but really added to the atmosphere of the PS2 version. Who knows.

          But please, lets not turn this thread hostile. If anyone has any specific questions about the PS2 version or would like to know more info on what I feel is better/worse, feel free to ask away. But I will answer one question that people may ask. Yes, I will and am still playing the PS3 version and yes, I now own both versions of the game. Ok, maybe I answered two questions.

          Nice....well said. For what its worth, I can't find a single point / statement you made that I can disagree with. Not that my intent is to find something to disagree with, but I have thought to myself basically all the same things. Good post.

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          • Mikey16
            Rookie
            • May 2006
            • 129

            #6
            Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

            I have a couple of questions about Franchise in PS2 version:

            1. Can edit players on other teams like their numbers and equipment?

            2. How is the draft logic and ratings for the incoming rookies?
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            • countryboy
              Growing pains
              • Sep 2003
              • 52830

              #7
              Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

              Originally posted by Mikey16
              I have a couple of questions about Franchise in PS2 version:

              1. Can edit players on other teams like their numbers and equipment?

              2. How is the draft logic and ratings for the incoming rookies?

              #2 its good. Highest I seen a rook come in was 87 and that was Tebow. The ratings seem more legit, though these are really up for discussion and a matter of opinion.

              I'd have to check on #1.
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              • Revolution42
                Pro
                • Jun 2008
                • 765

                #8
                Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

                Originally posted by countryboy
                #2 its good. Highest I seen a rook come in was 87 and that was Tebow. The ratings seem more legit, though these are really up for discussion and a matter of opinion.

                I'd have to check on #1.
                Ok.....that did it.....more reasonable draft ratings, I need to dig out the 'ol PS2.

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                • cdon2k
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 1042

                  #9
                  Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

                  Country, why'd ya have to bring this up.... I am now considering going back after see that man coverage video and realizing it's true....


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                  • Darkside63
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 132

                    #10
                    Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

                    Nice posting, Country... What you wrote does pretty much translate to the xbox/360 as well.

                    I have both versions, and its mainly only the graphics and the fear, that this years version might be the last for old xbox. It was supposed to not come out this year, so that was one of the reasons I went for a 360 earlier this year

                    Now I stay with it mainly, just to get used to Madden in next gen.

                    Otherwise, my decision would be easy. Old gen just plays much smoother, with the settings from last year it even feels "realistic" mainly. At least much more as on the 360. Even franchise has more possibilties as on the 360, though beeing pretty lame for a game, actually released in the year 2008

                    I agree on the commentary es well - give me Madden/Michaels any day over Collinsworth/Hammond. Some of the old guy's comments still make me smile - despite the fact that I heard them a thousand times, I guess

                    One last thing, you get rid of "Backtrack" - one of the major annoyancies in this game...

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                    • Vikes1
                      Proctor, MN. Go Rails!
                      • May 2008
                      • 4102

                      #11
                      Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

                      Your not alone CB.

                      I've seen quite a few posts from people that still prefer the older gen Madden games. It is kind of an indictment of sorts on just how far the "Next generation" of Madden games haven't come....especially after four years. I fully expected that by this time, the older versions would be nothing more than a distant memory. I sure never thought that we'd be longing for what those games had to offer over what we have now. It's kind of sad that we still use the older gen games as a measuring stick against the new gen games. And in many ways...the new gen games don't measure up.

                      Myself...I've played the newer gen Madden games too long to go back now, but I sure understand those who have/do. Overall I have a positive opinion of Madden '09'...but over the next few years it is time for EA/TIB to step it up, and make us forget what was.
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                      • grunt
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 9527

                        #12
                        Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

                        This thread and post is making me sad. How can last gen still compete with next gen. Sad.

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                        • jvaccaro
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 1037

                          #13
                          Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

                          It's because so far, many developers (def not just madden) feel the need to utilitze the next gen's power for graphics first and fun-factor second, unfortunately...
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                          • cdon2k
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 1042

                            #14
                            Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

                            I wish it were that simple JV. One of the factors is that tiburion kept focusing on the ps2 version (Phil just came up to 360, not sure about Ian). It wasn't until this year that we began to see drastic changes this year.

                            The worst thing about this year's game is the man coverage. It is just SO bad that there is no defensive strategy this year. It's zone all day which just gets boring after awhile. I was hoping this would be a secret fix for patch 2 (like the lob fix, yes it happened, gideon pointed it out and I tested it), but it wasn't addressed.
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                            • Hammerhunker
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 3009

                              #15
                              Re: After playing the PS3 version for about 2 months and the PS2 version about 5 days

                              There sure wasn't talk about Madden being equal or better on the PS1 after 4 installments on the PS2. With this talk, EA might yank the PS2 version to eliminate the competition (like Coke sueing Coke Zero)...I joke about the last comment.

                              Gawd, I remember the first time I played Madden (and NCAA) on the deuce, there were the sounds of angel harps and an outbreak of goosebumps.

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