Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

[djordan]

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Good.

I'd rather them focus on on 2010. They never said we would get DLC anyway...remember that.

[GTheorenHobbes]

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Good.

I'd rather them focus on on 2010. They never said we would get DLC anyway...remember that.

Nope, you're right. They just implied it, so that even more folks would be duped into buying the game during the month that it took them to say it wasn't coming out.

[spankdatazz22]

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Good.

I'd rather them focus on on 2010. They never said we would get DLC anyway...remember that.

Not sure that I get this logic... Wasn't like working on downloadable content in Madden '08 affected Madden '09 negatively.

Either way, not sure how upset people can get about the announcement. Would seem there are bigger problems when the game needs to patch in things like accelerated clock and cpu sliders

[countryboy]

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I can't help but wonder if people are making the DLC a bigger problem fixer than it really would've been. Yes, I know that Cpu sliders were highly touted and should've never been removed in the first place, but there are far more issues that the game has that DLC wouldn't have fixed.

*cpu playcalling
*boring atmosphere
*cpu punting in odd situations
*bare bones franchise mode
*odd progression/regression

As for cpu sliders, you can get them via the dummy profile system thats been talked about in the sliders forum extensively. Yes, you have to have a second controller, but is that really a bad thing if you don't have one already? I know someone is going to say, that they are then being forced to spend an extra x amount of dollars to make the game enjoyable, but what are the chances that the controller you have now was going to last forever anyways?

Just food for thought.

[manny2k8]

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I couldn't be more disappointed AGAIN by EA, that is completely it for the football series for me.

I can now get rid of my CE "Completely Evil" edition and congratulate EA on celebrating there 20th year of Madden the crappiest way possible.

You have lost another customer and I truly hope this effects you guys in the worst way possible next year.

[MJenness]

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Not sure that I get this logic... Wasn't like working on downloadable content in Madden '08 affected Madden '09 negatively.

Either way, not sure how upset people can get about the announcement. Would seem there are bigger problems when the game needs to patch in things like accelerated clock and cpu sliders

Yeah, I guess you're right....this game was destined to be trash regardless of what they did. Let's call a spade a spade here....take away the graphics, and what do you really have??

A half-hearted, in many ways totally frustrating and arcade style game geared toward people who know little or nothing about football. So many things didn't work, or didn't work the way they were designed to, it was almost funny.

And EA's brilliant decisions to remove sliders (which if you remember, they kept hidden until someone leaked the info) and remove fatigue (with the explanation it was done to counter the no-huddle online, rather than make the offense fatigue and make errors) 1)shows that they really don't know what we want, or 2)just don't care.

And based on their decision to not release DLC, I'd guess it is number 2....

[dave374]

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The one last hope I had for Madden 09 - the CPU sliders - #$#!ing gone.
Thanks.
Why you guys chose to even give us hope on something like this is mind-boggling to me.
So I stupidly spend $90 CDN on Madden CE for the ps3, $70 CDN for Madden 09 on the 360 (to play some friends on the 360), find out the game pretty much sucks online ... so I hold out hope for some offline play, only to find out I'm gonna have to shell out $40-50 for another #$#!ing controller.
Again, thanks.

I don't mind feeling like a complete moron for something I've done drunk, but I bought these games cleanly sober.

Ugh.

[TheWatcher]

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We really only needed CPU sliders. The rest of the stuff was kind of frivolous, especially the one with gamer pics... I was a bit puzzled by the need for a gamerpics feature in DLC when so many more important things needed attention.

I just wanna make a plea now that when you (and for God' s sake, you must) put working CPU Sliders back in the game, whatever you do please don't tout it as a new feature. In fact, it would be wise to just mention it very lightly in passing. And I mean that seriously--besides how the communities will make it the butt of jokes--for one good reason... it's one of those essentials that should've never been taken out in the first place. Like another poster said very well, it's kind of like having a high-priced car with no steering wheel.

We want a game that we can adjust, rather than one that attempts to tackle the impossibility of adjusting on its own to the fickle human nature.

[dave374]

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Phil, I have to ask, WHY was the DLC scrapped, as we wre told by Ian over a month ago that the DLC was basically FINISHED. Why the sudden change of direction, except that you already made your money this year?

This astounds me, really, as there were MANY MANY people relying on the DLC to make their purchase of Madden this year even decently playable!! This really doesn't say much for the "new" dev teams dedication to its fans, IMO....seems like the same crap as the last 3 years....

I'd like to know this myself. I know nothing was promised, but this was as close as it came to a promise.
IMO, you guys should never have even mentioned a peep about DLC until you had a definitive answer.

[treq21]

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I'd like to know this myself. I know nothing was promised, but this was as close as it came to a promise.
IMO, you guys should never have even mentioned a peep about DLC until you had a definitive answer.

well for gods sake the sliders should never have been taken out in the first place. Why they want to go backwards with this game is purely a decision based on money. So they can put them back in next year to sell people the game. There can be no other reason.

And then they imply there will be a dlc to help fix some of the stuff that was taken out. And surprise surprise, no DLC after a month of waiting??? Did they have to wait this long to tell us?

I would have even paid for the damn thing. As it is now, its going to take a LOT for me to even consider buying this game next year.

[edaddy]

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Sounds like the bait and switch tactic used to dupe customers..

While I can see some people thinking it was a bait and switch I can't see people being duped..I mean cmon if people didn't research Madden before they bought it that's on them..By now everyone should know the EA cycle it's rinse and repeat..like clockwork..They (the reps) will be in here sporadically from Jan- May then in full force as the release date and Community days are near...They will tout old features like they are new explain why this is the best Madden to date (with the help of Community leaders) and then proceed to market their game..marketing will be oversaturated and we will all be intrigued and caught up in the hype until the actual game comes out(EA banks on this) and reality sets in..a patch or two will come out for glaring issues and then the cycle will repeat..While I hate to put it in simplistic terms that's basically it in a nutshell...Anyone who doesn't research or rent before they buy then complain really has no gripe...it's the EA way ..I howver do repect Ian and Phil for subjecting themselves to people but at the end they are in it to sell games and make money thats the bottom line.. and if adding in old features and calling them new as well as marginally improving game play each year helps them make money then so be it ..it is obviously working..lol ...DLC was never promised however they way to put it implied that it was almost a done deal, and I could see how people might be upset about this...

[kehlis]

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While I can see some people thinking it was a bait and switch I can't see people being duped..I mean cmon if people didn't research Madden before they bought it that's on them..By now everyone should know the EA cycle it's rinse and repeat..like clockwork..They (the reps) will be in here sporadically from Jan- May then in full force as the release date and Community days are near...They will tout old features like they are new explain why this is the best Madden to date (with the help of Community leaders) and then proceed to market their game..marketing will be oversaturated and we will all be intrigued and caught up in the hype until the actual game comes out(EA banks on this) and reality sets in..a patch or two will come out for glaring issues and then the cycle will repeat..While I hate to put it in simplistic terms that's basically it in a nutshell...Anyone who doesn't research or rent before they buy then complain really has no gripe...it's the EA way ..I howver do repect Ian and Phil for subjecting themselves to people but at the end they are in it to sell games and make money thats the bottom line.. and if adding in old features and calling them new as well as marginally improving game play each year helps them make money then so be it ..it is obviously working..lol ...DLC was never promised however they way to put it implied that it was almost a done deal, and I could see how people might be upset about this...

you will probably have many who disagree with you but i agree 100% with everything you said...

now for the next 8 months we will have to listen to people gripe, moan and complain about everything that is wrong with the game when the decision to buy was theirs and theirs alone...

[bcruise]

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I think it's very possible MS and/or Sony put the kibosh on this late in the process, or right before testing. Think about it - This would have simply been an attempt to get around MS's 3rd patch limitation - do you really think MS wouldn't have realized this? And if that was the case, don't hold your breath on anyone ever announcing it.

I will say that with that possibility existing, it probably wasn't a good move on EA's part to treat this as having such a high chance of being released, though.

[treq21]

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you will probably have many who disagree with you but i agree 100% with everything you said...

now for the next 8 months we will have to listen to people gripe, moan and complain about everything that is wrong with the game when the decision to buy was theirs and theirs alone...

well, not me. I'm done. Lifes to short to complain about a damn game. I'm selling it tomorrow, and I'll just play something else.

I used to really look forward to madden. No more.

[PioneerRaptor]

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You can always buy the PS2/Xbox version. I sold my Madden CE edition for the 360 and I am now having a very good time with the PS2 version :]