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**mwjr** · 10-20-2008, 10:39 AM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Anyone remember the last generation, when Madden made its appearance on the PS2? It really wasn't until 2004 that we got a true revolution to the game, IMO.

So far, we're following a similar cycle with the next gen games. Madden 2006, like its previous generation predecessor, was severely lacking. We're now in the 4th iteration of the Next Gen Madden, and improvements are showing. I'm hoping that the 5th time around's the charm.

I'm hoping, but I ain't holding my breath. After all, the variable that caused that improvement back on the previous generation, competation from 2K/VC, is no longer existent.

**FlyingFinn** · 10-20-2008, 10:40 AM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Originally posted by SoxFan01605

While I believe Ian and Phill had good intentions with their sharing of a DLC proposition

I don't know if I agree with this statement. I believe it was put out there to get people on the fence to buy the game. Same reason it was never mentioned by the Devs that CPU sliders were removed...

**countryboy** · 10-20-2008, 10:45 AM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Originally posted by mwjr

So did you buy the PS2 system and the game, or did you mean that you just bought the PS2 version?

I bought the PS2 version. I already have a PS2.

**TJdaSportsGuy** · 10-20-2008, 10:47 AM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Originally posted by GTheorenHobbes

And remember...MS's limit is 2 FREE patches. Anything over that, EA would have to pay for. Which, as we now know, just ain't happening.

Seriously, lol. I've asked like 3 times now. WHERE are you guys getting this 2-free patches thing? Someone show me a damn link, please!

**Danimal** · 10-20-2008, 11:14 AM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Originally posted by rudyjuly2

It was a good idea and you hit the nail on the head with the nature of this community. You simply can't promise things or even strongly suggest things when you can't deliver. It makes it ugly.

There is little doubt in my mind that the free DLC was blocked by Sony and MS as they viewed it as what it was - a free third patch. EA was able to develop the DLC and I'm sure they had it ready to be implemented which is why I'm sure Ian and Phil are pissed they couldn't deliver it. But they should have gotten approval for this before it was even mentioned. Even us grown ups have little kid tendencies whose hopes were unnecessarily raised and then wrecked. It would be nice to get some further explanation though.

I wasn't going to post again in this thread but this post deserves comment.

First some of us are not mad about the lack of DLC, but the simple fact this was strung along as long as it was. If you believe last week was when the call was made then that is your choice, I'll based my feelings on past history. They knew about the lack of CPU sliders for weeks and would of let if go until after launch if someone hadn't gotten a press copy and let it out, I heard that same someone got blacklisted by EA btw.

Also what proof do you have the Sony or MS blocked this? What makes you think they Ian and Phil pissed off? I see nothing in Phil's message to indicated that, in fact his answer was terse at best.

Drop the news, don't give any indication as to why and disappear, sooner or later most people won't even remember it. This whole thing was handle in a poor manner and they haven't done anything to prove to me they are honest guys and that is why some of us are annoyed.

**Pared** · 10-20-2008, 11:23 AM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Originally posted by TJdaSportsGuy

Seriously, lol. I've asked like 3 times now. WHERE are you guys getting this 2-free patches thing? Someone show me a damn link, please!

This was mentioned by a developer on here.

I believe it was one of the NCAA developers.

**asu666** · 10-20-2008, 11:44 AM

This news is fine by me. I buy what is on the disc and that was clearly broken and lacking this year.

**rudyjuly2** · 10-20-2008, 12:08 PM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Originally posted by DSpezzano

Also what proof do you have the Sony or MS blocked this? What makes you think they Ian and Phil pissed off? I see nothing in Phil's message to indicated that, in fact his answer was terse at best.

Pure and utter speculation on my part.

**PaulZweber** · 10-20-2008, 12:17 PM

If it was MS/Sony's fault, they would have mentioned it. This is not suprising and the ongoing trend with this company. The Devs have no confidence or trust from me, ongoing shortcomings and unrealized expectations have driven me further and further away from this game. Two of my "Online Leagues" have shut down due to not being able to replace owners, and this game gets no playtime with fun games releasing all the time.

**GTheorenHobbes** · 10-20-2008, 12:36 PM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Originally posted by TJdaSportsGuy

Seriously, lol. I've asked like 3 times now. WHERE are you guys getting this 2-free patches thing? Someone show me a damn link, please!

Here ya go, dude. Straight out of Phil's mouth:

Quote:
Originally Posted by rudyjuly2

"So its possible that MS will only let you patch NCAA once for free but twice for Madden? Does the number of games sold affect their decision? Any confirmation on this stuff would be great."

Answer:
"Yes this is very possible. All I know is Madden gets two. I'm not sure what logic MS and EA Corporate used to determine how many each game gets. All that stuff is handled during high-level negotiations with MS when EA signs on to be a developer for their platform.

Phil"

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...8-100-a-4.html

Here's a related link/post from Phil:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...8-100-a-3.html

**GTheorenHobbes** · 10-20-2008, 12:39 PM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Originally posted by DSpezzano

Drop the news, don't give any indication as to why and disappear, sooner or later most people won't even remember it.

Exactly. They're counting on the fact that this will all blow over in a week or so, and will be all but forgotten except by a few of us complainers by the time the hype machine gets cranking for next year's game. Their "who cares" attitude really rubs me the wrong way.

**PlatinumJuice** · 10-20-2008, 12:51 PM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

I'm so glad I came to this site when i was thinking of buying the game... although every site gave it high ratings (unfortunately)... with no more dlc and after listening to the input of everyone here on how terrible the game is, i am overjoyed that I didn't waste my money on this garbage... EA is concerned about one thing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

**Brandwin** · 10-20-2008, 01:38 PM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Probably going to trade my copy in soon, if I can't sell it.

**DrUrsus** · 10-20-2008, 01:40 PM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Originally posted by TheTodd84

DrUrsus... Of course I don't ACTUALLY want the stock market to crash. I was just trying to make a point.

And if you don't think EA does that b/c of the investors, then you are naive. The Investors want a game each year that will sell. You don't own stock in EA or give them any money, so your influence and opinion, as well as mine, mean nothing. That is what I mean by the corruption on wall street. And that is how it works.

I am sorry to hear you lost so much money, I really hope things get better for you, but I was just being sarcastic.

But, if you want to make a statement, no one buy the game next year, and when the sales plummet, so will the stock, and the investors will listen, so will EA. Otherwise, forget it

I thought that's what you were getting at, but just checking. Yes, I see your point about EA and investors. Thanks for the sentiments about my money

. I hope I get it back too

.

**DrUrsus** · 10-20-2008, 01:43 PM

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Originally posted by rudyjuly2

The biggest mistake was for EA to ever come on the boards and talk about the DLC. It was assumed by many to be a reality. It's like promising little Jimmy some ice cream after dinner if he finishes his meal. And after he finishes eating all his vegetables, you look in the freezer and see there's no ice cream. Not only does little Jimmy get no ice cream, the parents don't even tell him why. They just say, "Sorry Jimmy. We lied. We're not giving you any ice cream so go to bed." Jimmy just got shafted and never even got an explanation. The lack of an explanation is what makes it that much worse.

I'm sure Ian and Phil meant well when they promised the DLC. But they should at least have the guts to come on here and say we screwed up and why. Even if they can't say everything, say something.

Great analogy RudyJuly. The kid then doesn't want to eat the vegetables next time thinking he won't get the ice cream anyway. The question is, Are we going to keep eating the vegetables? Probably, because it is the only darn NFL game (new one) out there now. I still say I think we should lobby the NFL to drop the exclusive license to EA.

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