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  • grunt
    Banned
    • Jul 2002
    • 9527

    #46
    Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

    I like the show. it is what it is. There will always be cheese in the game, no matter what. Pick sim friends and have fun. I don't know why so many people get mad cheesers.

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    • sportyguyfl31
      MVP
      • Nov 2005
      • 4745

      #47
      Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

      There was a moment on unintentional comedy by Tony Gonzalez on last year's Madden Nation that spoke volumes as to what type of people get on that show.

      He had one of the kids over his house, a skinny, bookish looking 16 yr old.

      After he played him, and the kid left his home, Gonzalez says, "I could tell just by looking at him that he is a gamer, so I think he is going to do very well."

      That was really a nice way of calling the kid video game junky and a geek.


      There are people who approach Madden no different then they would approach playing a game of "Super Smah Bros. Brawl"


      They could give a dang about the football aspect of it all.

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      • SoxFan01605
        All Star
        • Jan 2008
        • 7982

        #48
        Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

        Originally posted by sportyguyfl31
        There was a moment on unintentional comedy by Tony Gonzalez on last year's Madden Nation that spoke volumes as to what type of people get on that show.

        He had one of the kids over his house, a skinny, bookish looking 16 yr old.

        After he played him, and the kid left his home, Gonzalez says, "I could tell just by looking at him that he is a gamer, so I think he is going to do very well."

        That was really a nice way of calling the kid video game junky and a geek.


        There are people who approach Madden no different then they would approach playing a game of "Super Smah Bros. Brawl"


        They could give a dang about the football aspect of it all.
        I agree. It's a videogame tourny. The people who excel at it are going to be good at the videogame aspect of it...nothing more.

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        • baumy300
          Most Valuable Pepe
          • May 2005
          • 3998

          #49
          Great article.

          It's sad that they can even enjoy playing like that.

          Wouldn't Blitz be more their style?
          Last edited by baumy300; 10-21-2008, 01:14 PM.
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          • cpdfrank
            Banned
            • Aug 2006
            • 261

            #50
            Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

            It becomes more obvious that EA is not committed to sim style football. I guess thats fine, at least we know it. This is my last Madden game that i purchase. But what shows me even more that EA is not about real football is the fact that they have on Madden Nation nothing but a bunch of players acting like ghetto trash hoodlums, who could care less about football, as long as they get to be on TV acting the fool. Or on the other hand, maybe Madden Nation is modeling what the NFL has turned into. Half of the players have either been arrested, or are incarcerated. And when a certain percentage of NFL players cant score a touchdown without acting like fools, i guess the Madden Nation participants fit the bill.

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            • MJenness
              Banned
              • Apr 2006
              • 925

              #51
              Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

              Originally posted by cpdfrank
              It becomes more obvious that EA is not committed to sim style football. I guess thats fine, at least we know it. This is my last Madden game that i purchase. But what shows me even more that EA is not about real football is the fact that they have on Madden Nation nothing but a bunch of players acting like ghetto trash hoodlums, who could care less about football, as long as they get to be on TV acting the fool. Or on the other hand, maybe Madden Nation is modeling what the NFL has turned into. Half of the players have either been arrested, or are incarcerated. And when a certain percentage of NFL players cant score a touchdown without acting like fools, i guess the Madden Nation participants fit the bill.
              You read my mind.............:wink:

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              • kt-od
                MVP
                • Feb 2008
                • 2355

                #52
                Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

                Originally posted by cpdfrank
                It becomes more obvious that EA is not committed to sim style football. I guess thats fine, at least we know it. This is my last Madden game that i purchase. But what shows me even more that EA is not about real football is the fact that they have on Madden Nation nothing but a bunch of players acting like ghetto trash hoodlums, who could care less about football, as long as they get to be on TV acting the fool. Or on the other hand, maybe Madden Nation is modeling what the NFL has turned into. Half of the players have either been arrested, or are incarcerated. And when a certain percentage of NFL players cant score a touchdown without acting like fools, i guess the Madden Nation participants fit the bill.
                Great post!!! I don't watch Madden Nation anymore because of what you just explained.
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                • 7stringking
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 269

                  #53
                  NFL fans have no choice but to play arcade style Football...............Very Sad

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                  • asu666
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 700

                    #54
                    Originally posted by kt-od
                    Great post!!! I don't watch Madden Nation anymore because of what you just explained.
                    I watched one of the first episodes of Madden Nation hoping to learn how some of the really good players have mastered the game. What I saw was a bunch of what-a-be thugs (read dorks) using the same exploits over-and-over again. The current gen Madden has pretty much lost any simulation credit it built up on Xbox and PS2 over the years. Too many missing options and too much tuning for the five minute quarter crowd. I don;t think the game is so far gone that it can't be saved, but it will probably take Petter Moore putting his foot in someone's rear to get the dev team's attention.

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                    • LBzrule
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 13085

                      #55
                      Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

                      Originally posted by grunt
                      I like the show. it is what it is. There will always be cheese in the game, no matter what. Pick sim friends and have fun. I don't know why so many people get mad cheesers.
                      I'm not for sure people get mad with cheesers. I think it is more that people get mad with EA because the game tends to favor the tactics that cheesers like to use. The issue isn't that there will always be cheese, but at least give me a different flavor. They have had the same flavor of cheese since the game went online with the 2003 version on PS2, rocket catching, audibling up and down formations, screwing up defensive assignments, pocket rolling ect. Some of it can be contained but it will require a particular effort. Pocket rolling, dropping back and heaving, FB Dives, Rocket catching all of this stuff shouldn't be still hanging around for people to exploit almost 7 to 8 years later.

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                      • Shinyhubcaps
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 1786

                        #56
                        Just because someone doesn't play the same way as you, it doesn't make them a bad player. I understand the author's gripes about cheesing, but all of the snide comments that make them sound either less intelligent or less able to play a simulation style... that's aggravating. You put them down because they play to win and not to make it look like the NFL. Give it up. Let the people play the way they want AS LONG AS it is not an actual glitch or cheat.

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                        • Phil_Frazier
                          Turn 10 - Microsoft
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 291

                          #57
                          Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

                          Originally posted by cpdfrank
                          It becomes more obvious that EA is not committed to sim style football. I guess thats fine, at least we know it. This is my last Madden game that i purchase. But what shows me even more that EA is not about real football is the fact that they have on Madden Nation nothing but a bunch of players acting like ghetto trash hoodlums, who could care less about football, as long as they get to be on TV acting the fool. Or on the other hand, maybe Madden Nation is modeling what the NFL has turned into. Half of the players have either been arrested, or are incarcerated. And when a certain percentage of NFL players cant score a touchdown without acting like fools, i guess the Madden Nation participants fit the bill.
                          I disagree with the blanket statement that EA is not committed to sim style footall. Madden 2010 features a brand new design team, all of which want to deliver an authentic NFL video game experience. I'm not saying the previous design team didn't, but understand that the Madden audience is incredibly diverse and we need to come up with features that provide a good experience for as many of them as possible.

                          I personally don't enjoy the style of gameplay that is often used in tournament play or on Madden Nation. You will see this sort of game abuse in any product that's used for a competitive event. Let's be honest, if you knew of a tactic that you could run play after play and ultimately get you a real shot at winning $100,000 dollars, wouldn't you do it too? If you think people wouldn't use a glitch or cheese tactic in any other game to win a huge prize, I think you would be mistaken.

                          Over the years we've brought in guys that compete in these hyper-competitive environments with the purpose of squashing their tactics. It's become a cat and mouse game. We fix one problem and another pops up. We've even had Madden Challenge winners on our QA team to better find these issues before we ship.

                          In a perfect world, we provide a way for all styles of gameplay to exist. There should be a way for our hardcore fans (you) to set up a game that provides the ultimate sim experience. There should also be a place for more casual NFL fans to have a quick pick-up-and-play experience. This is something we've certainly discussed on the team and hope to better solve in the future.

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                          • RogueHominid
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 10903

                            #58
                            Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

                            One thing that could and should be done, Phil, if this game is to reach another level of realism, is the implementation of offensive and defensive intelligence. I play APF, not Madden, but there are plays that people can run over and over again for pretty consistent gains. I'd love it if the defenders clued in to a play once they saw it a couple of times--started shading, anticipating routes, etc. I'd also love it if OL were able to pick up blitz and stunt patterns. This is actually already in APF, and it's great.

                            The caveat here is that your games already have a bit of a problem with psychic players, especially on defense (see gideon if you have questions), so I'm not sure this could be incorporated successfully by the team without just adding one more problem to the mix, but if you all could do it well, it would make a nice addition. The thing that makes online play so boring sometimes is that people just call the same handful of plays. With an intelligence system, this would be eliminated, or at least stongly discouraged.

                            Just my .02.

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                            • ThaShark28_316
                              Pro
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 692

                              #59
                              Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

                              I understand all of what is being said here. But I do actually like the show...cuz its fun to see these guys play cuz if they played me and my 100% sim ball, they'd likely get shutout or held to 14 pts or less.

                              When I play madden, i come in with, like, somewhat of a mental script, like my texans' coach, Gary Kubiak...first few plays are scripted and run no matter what...punts on 4th and 1 at my own 20, etc...i just cant play w/o running my sim style O...no bs no huddles, roll outs all day, rocket catches...nothing like that.

                              My main issues with games, specifically online, is the gimmick defenses...i know yall see it...and with the way the O-line plays..***ns can be broken up in the backfield, and its real sad looking.
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                              • JMMTX1978
                                Rookie
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 51

                                #60
                                Re: The Abomination That is Madden Nation

                                I personally don't enjoy the style of gameplay that is often used in tournament play or on Madden Nation. You will see this sort of game abuse in any product that's used for a competitive event. Let's be honest, if you knew of a tactic that you could run play after play and ultimately get you a real shot at winning $100,000 dollars, wouldn't you do it too? If you think people wouldn't use a glitch or cheese tactic in any other game to win a huge prize, I think you would be mistaken.
                                This is wrong. Serious video game tourneys will always have set rules for each game. These rules generally ban any glitches or overpowered/unstoppable moves/tactics. Pretty much human rules to stop faulty programming or AI.

                                I do not watch Madden Nation but I do know that they do not have rules like those in most video game tourneys. If they did it would be a different product. I am sure most madden tourneys don't have rules like these. It really seems to be a sports game thing.

                                VS fighting, FPS, and any other competitive game tourney will have rules to stop exactly what Madden Nation promotes...

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